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Post by officialmeno on May 10, 2014 16:45:15 GMT -5
Looking to lift my 00 Montero Sport LS, im not too familiar with the suspension system on cars. Anyone know and or recommend what size lift and tire combination that would make my montero look nice? Thanks. (PIC ATTATCHED)  |
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Post by jay4x4 on May 14, 2014 12:05:42 GMT -5
don't have pics since I haven't done it but I have 265/75/16 on stock. I hear with OME or IRONMAN that you can run 255/85/16. From my research anything thicker will also need a body lift and probably some spacers.
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Post by 6500rpm on Jun 17, 2014 17:48:00 GMT -5
 My 97 has a 2" body lift that made the 265/70r15" look small so I recently installed BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO - 33X10.50R15 to help fill in the void. While I like the look, it's been my everyday driver since 1998, it's well taken care of and about a year ago I installed a Injen air intake that actually put a little more pep in it's step...sadly with the taller tires that's gone away. As a fleet Tech I have access to a Mitsubishi Mutt 3 scanner and when time permits I need to see if there's anything programmable that I can tweek. What I've found besides the speedometer being off in that it's had a negative effect on shift timing and down shifting (auto trans). First gear feels sluggish and it seems to shift into second gear prematurely which sucks if your pulling a incline. I've been up to my a$$ with manufacturer recalls and haven't had time to solve my own issues but thought I'd mention it when I saw your thread. Possibly some of the regulars have some insight on fixes for the issues taller tires bring on. If there's no other solution I guess I can look to see what's available in terms of lower differential gears. |
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Post by bdmontero on Jun 17, 2014 18:10:32 GMT -5
ES_97.;D ;D ;D ;D Sent from my SM-N900V using proboards Attachments:
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Post by 6500rpm on Jun 18, 2014 14:53:50 GMT -5
I'd invite any *** chewing ES_97 may give me if it comes with a bit of helpful information. I live the car techs curse, this things been good to me for 17 years and it's still in great shape. Time to have a bit of fun with it, unfortunately I had a day off to have the tires put on and now it looks like it could be over a month until I have time to even start researching things. Yup, I came here to short cut the learning curve a bit figuring most of you (or at least a select few) have been down this road a time or two. The good part about being a fleet tech is that I work on all new cars, the bad part is that when recalls hit we have to hustle as they're usually in the 70-200 car per recall range in my city (4600 car fleet) and right now thanks to various manufacturers we have no less than 7 in progress and 3 more that I know of ready to hit. My company locks them down hard and they won't be on the road till we've performed the recall (figure 10 to 12hr days up to 7 days a week if we'll work them). Sooner or later I'll have the time to get back on my Sport. In any case it can be a learning thread if you guys have real world fixes. Break's over, got to go....
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jun 18, 2014 16:38:39 GMT -5
... Anyone know and or recommend what size lift and tire combination that would make my montero look nice? Hmmm. I'm thinking some Thornbirds on Dana 30s! Yea!!! That's the ticket! OP, thank your lucky starts you didn't post this on Pirate. :rolleyes: My 97 has a 2" body lift that made the 265/70r15" look small so I recently installed BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO - 33X10.50R15 to help fill in the void. ... I installed a Injen air intake that actually put a little more pep in it's step...sadly with the taller tires that's gone away. Uh, yea, I bet. Ok. Simply? Your solution is GEARS. There is nothing you can do with the MUT. The '97-'99 3.0L uses a ECM with a separate TCU. The ECMs and TCUs are not flashable. The '99 3.5L PCM is, but that doesn't do you any good. There are two '97 ECMs for the 3.0L 5-speed M/T. I never checked to see if that was the same for the A/T, but I believe it is. If you have the first production model ECM, replace it with the one that superseded it. The 'second gen' ECM makes more torque in the low to midrange and should help some. It's not "The Solution" but it won't hurt. These are also not "The Solution", but manual locking hubs and a 2.25" CAT-back system with a decent muffler like the Flowmaster. ABSOLUTELY NO BIGGER THAN 2.25" and leave the factory CAT alone. There's nothing wrong with them so don't touch it. Again, won't hurt anything - in fact, they will help. You're problem, however, is your - now - jacked up gearing. Which is also horking up the ECM. I'll bet if you check you'll find you're practically living in OL-Drive mode. The only way to fix a gearing problem like this - without actually fixing the gearing - is to put in a bigger engine, turbo(s) or a supercharger. Get your differential ratio (which I think is 4.30something), and go to this page and figure out what gear ratio you need to get as close as you can to the stock ratio or slightly lower. "Find new Gear Ratio with new tire size"Original diam: 29.6" BGF A/T KO diam: 32.7" These are BOTH inaccurate, but they're inaccurate in exactly the same way so they're good enough. From just punching in some numbers, I'd say you're looking at a new ratio of about 4.80 +/- a tad. Your options are 4.63, 4.90, 5.13 and 5.29. There are no after-market suppliers of gears, so you get to surf the junk yards. You'll NEVER find a set of 5.13s or 5.29s so don't even bother thinking of those. (which also means forget about 35"s) That leaves you with the 4.90s. Lucky for you they came in some model Monteros. Get on 4x4 Wire and start searching - all the information you need is there in the forum. Basically, your two options are to replace just gears or replace axles and gears. Both are do-able; its going to depend on what you can find. I have no use for this solution so I don't pay much attention to which Montero gears/axles you need for the swap. I just know its easily done if you can find the parts. I have no use for 33"s and before I went though this much effort, I'd just do a SAS and dump a pair of 44s or a 44/60 combo in for which you can ACTUALLY GET gears.  BD, good enough?  Edward |
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Post by 6500rpm on Aug 5, 2014 20:15:29 GMT -5
Just thought I'd add some information from what's now real world experience, thanks to bdmontero and ES_97Sport for pointing me in the right direction. The following items have got my 33" tire 3.0L 97 MS LS back up and running like a champ (still need to change to the 4:90.1 gears for the launch factor but other than that it performs very good right now with the larger tires.
ECU changed to P/N MD 349089
Aisin Locking Hubs-P/N FHM002
Flowmaster Super 44 2 1/4" muffler w/ 2 1/4" pipe from behind the converter
Injen Air Cleaner P/N IS1850P (already had on vehicle)
I can't say that any one item made a huge difference in performance, but the gains from stacking the items were fairly significant. Bottom line is that larger tires on a mouse motor are going to require items other than the initial investment for the tires to bring the performance up to par.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Aug 28, 2014 16:41:59 GMT -5
Just thought I'd add some information from what's now real world experience, thanks to bdmontero and ES_97Sport for pointing me in the right direction. The following items have got my 33" tire 3.0L 97 MS LS back up and running like a champ (still need to change to the 4:90.1 gears for the launch factor but other than that it performs very good right now with the larger tires. ECU changed to P/N MD 349089 Aisin Locking Hubs-P/N FHM002 Flowmaster Super 44 2 1/4" muffler w/ 2 1/4" pipe from behind the converter Injen Air Cleaner P/N IS1850P (already had on vehicle) I can't say that any one item made a huge difference in performance, but the gains from stacking the items were fairly significant. Bottom line is that larger tires on a mouse motor are going to require items other than the initial investment for the tires to bring the performance up to par. Good to hear. Yep, about all you have left are gears. The 4.90s will work good for you. Even going to the 4.63s (manual trans) if you're running an automatic wouldn't hurt if you're looking for the super cheap solution. Edward |
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Post by 6500rpm on Sept 15, 2014 19:50:03 GMT -5
Updated pic. With the Aisin Hubs and standard wheels if you cut the center cap to the round outline it's a honeymoon fit that looks factory.   |
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Post by bdmontero on Sept 15, 2014 20:07:15 GMT -5
Looks good man! Welcome to the ARB club! ;D
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Post by jay4x4 on Sept 16, 2014 1:19:25 GMT -5
Wish I could join the ARB club as easy lol. very clean look. love the hubs.
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Post by dirk on Oct 21, 2015 18:44:53 GMT -5
So I have been reading a bunch and gathering parts for my next set of upgrades and while reading this post I noticed the picture of his Aisin hubs has a red dial. And mine doesn't. I have the same model # hubs. So either he painted his or mine are not correct, or also they changed them at Aisin.
This was the post that I got the idea to modify my hub caps for the manual hubs. I love the looks thanks for that.
For this fall/winter I am keeping it simple. Just going to put on a good set of 265s on and maybe upgrade the exhaust.
Besides that I'll just keep making a check list of what I plan on doing and getting all the stuff together so come spring I will start the actual work. Currently I have everything needed for the body lift, and to finish the stereo system. Still would like to get OME lift. Only going medium on front and rear. Besides the stereo system and grocery runs I don't usually add a ton of weight. I did think about going heavy duty on the rear springs since I have added a bit of weight with the stereo system and have to put on a trailer hitch for my bike rack still. May hold off on front torsion bars depending on how much money I save to put into front end protection. But thinking with the milage on the beast putting OME medium torsion bars wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Post by bdmontero on Oct 21, 2015 22:38:13 GMT -5
I've done a set in red, black, yellow, and I have a set of Ford Blue on my rig now. I took a SMALL MICRO piece of sandpaper and went over the top of the AISIN on the actual hub dial. Looks good IMO.
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Post by pinstryper on Nov 3, 2015 10:42:15 GMT -5
Since my 97 is 11-96 production I need to look for the md 349089 ecu/ecm ? That's the one with a diff ign curve?
This is located above the passenger feet I hear?
Guess I need to check my #
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Post by ES_97Sport on Nov 3, 2015 15:36:14 GMT -5
Since my 97 is 11-96 production I need to look for the md 349089 ecu/ecm ? That's the one with a diff ign curve? This is located above the passenger feet I hear? Guess I need to check my # This is dirt easy to check. Pull the passenger side door sill plastic - 4 Phillips head screws. Pull the passenger side kick panel plastic. There's a couple little '1/4 turn' clips along the carpet. Try not to loose or break these. These are NOT Sport parts, they're from a '96 Montero. The dealership catalogs list the later '97 clips and they are definitely not the same thing. My '97 is a 10/96 production vehicle, but your's should use the same clips. Get out your flashlight and look up under the dash behind the kick panel. The PN# is on a paper tag on the cover in big, black letter and numbers. It'll be MDsomthing. If you're is an November '96, then unless it was changed it's pretty likely you have the old ECM. Edward |
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