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Post by russiankid on Feb 22, 2015 12:09:43 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, I've been searching around to see what style ignition keys Mitsu used. Everything I have came across is normal looking keys. My keys, which I know are factory (have two normal and a valet), the grip/handle is rectangular. Anyone else have these type? Do key types signify anything?
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Post by colted on Feb 22, 2015 14:05:12 GMT -5
These are my keys....the polished and blacker one on the right with Mitsu logo is the original key that came with my truck since I got it 4 years ago.....the one of the left is just a duplicated copy (matte black/rubberized Ilco brand)......not sure if ours have chips but I had it duplicated from a shop in Mall of GA without any issue.  |
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Post by russiankid on Feb 22, 2015 22:19:19 GMT -5
Hm interesting. All 3 of mine look this:  I know mine have a chip because when I installed remote start, it needed a bypass module. |
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Post by jkdv8 on Feb 23, 2015 21:01:03 GMT -5
Yea mine look like the ones colted posted. Two lighter valet keys and two regular keys. Believe they all have chips but only activated if the vehicle has the factory immobilizer. Haven't been able to test this theory however.
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Post by russiankid on Feb 24, 2015 8:21:26 GMT -5
Interesting. The reason I amade this thread is to see if key design had any factor into what type of immobilizer the car was equipped with. I want to try out swapping the PCM, but since mine is a 2000, I would have to get the PCM and immobilizer as they're married together and have my current keys programmed to that immobilizer. I could be wrong but this is what I have dug up.
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Post by r0llinlacs on Feb 24, 2015 20:55:42 GMT -5
The key for my 98. No chip, no immobilizer.  |
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Post by russiankid on Feb 25, 2015 12:22:03 GMT -5
I know my keys have a chip, but I have yet to see keys like mine.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Feb 27, 2015 18:53:27 GMT -5
I know my keys have a chip, but I have yet to see keys like mine. '97-'99 - no chip, no immobilizer. This includes the '99 3.5L Limited. '00-'05 chip and immobilizer. Russiankid: you have the same 'clicker' that I have on my '03. I've seen your type key but I can't remember for what. Maybe one of the Mitsu cars. Colted: Your's look exactly like my original '03 keys. One of the years looked different I think. Can't remember if it was '00 or '05. R0llinlacs: Yep. '97-'99 - EXCEPT for the 3.5L, I think. If I remember correctly, our '99 3.5L Limited had the same style key as my '03 Limited. No, you are correct. Immobilizer has to be programed to the PCM and the key(s) have to be programed to the immobilizer. In that order. UNLESS, you buy the PCM and immobilizer as a matching set from a salvage yard - and you better be absolutely sure they really are a matched set from the same vehicle. From the dealership, they program them at time of install. They don't come as a 'set'. Just a general FYI, only the dealership can program the immobilizer to the PCM and the immobilizers DO have to match the PCM. You can't just throw whatever immobilizer on some random PCM. Um, why are you contemplating replacing the PCM? Edward |
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Post by russiankid on Feb 27, 2015 19:16:27 GMT -5
I am trying to find an alternative way to see if my trans issue relates to the TSB posted by Mitsu for the 3rd gear shift flare. I have vistsed my local dealer and asked them to dig up records, but they said that Mitsu doesn't keep records like that on their vehicles. So my next question was how much would it run to get the PCm relfashed and of course the service guy told me that they would have to see what is wrong first at which point I told him nevermind. It is a simple procedure yet they're over complicating it.
So I started researching on swapping PCM's. I found one on ebay for 75 bucks, with PCM, immobilizer, one key and key tumbler. However, I got out bid on it so I'll have to wait for another one to pop up.
I have also noticed my key type was only used on 00' models, not sure what difference it makes but they're different in design. I have exhausted all possible ideas on my trans issue aside from physically testing the shift solenoids and in addition other observations I have made have made me believe there is either a sensor acting funky when hot or the PCM programming is doing some funky things once in closed loop.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Feb 27, 2015 19:43:03 GMT -5
I am trying to find an alternative way to see if my trans issue relates to the TSB posted by Mitsu for the 3rd gear shift flare. I have vistsed my local dealer and asked them to dig up records, but they said that Mitsu doesn't keep records like that on their vehicles. So my next question was how much would it run to get the PCm relfashed and of course the service guy told me that they would have to see what is wrong first at which point I told him nevermind. It is a simple procedure yet they're over complicating it. Don't keep records of what? Reflashing is usually 1 hr labor, so here its about $120. You will have to work with them on this. Even my techs will not flash a PCM just 'cause you got some wild hair. I would also suggest that you make it clear you're not expecting this to be some magic bullet. You need to understand that they're liable for the work they do. If they do this and then you come back complaining, they have to be able to back up what they did and why. Hmmmm. I'm guessing solenoid(s) or sensor would be the likely causes. That's where I'd go first before messing with the PCM and stuff. Edward |
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Post by redraif on Feb 28, 2015 19:27:05 GMT -5
These are my keys....the polished and blacker one on the right with Mitsu logo is the original key that came with my truck since I got it 4 years ago.....the one of the left is just a duplicated copy (matte black/rubberized Ilco brand)......not sure if ours have chips but I had it duplicated from a shop in Mall of GA without any issue. View AttachmentMine look like these... Here is a scarey thought.... based on the info above I'm getting more and more concerned about my spare key. Aka the only working one I have. When my daughter had this rig she was cheerleader at her school. Her keys got locked up in a teachers room. Teach said she could leave her purse there during practise as she was grading papers late.... anyway he teach let early and forgot about the purse. My daughter got stuck with no keys and she had lost the spare set, so a trip home would not have helped. We tried the dealership, but they had no keys in stock and told us to call their locksmith. We did. He came and cut a key from the vin and presto she was in. Then he programed the key to work. She paid him his 130 fee. Then he handed her her reciept and said btw... when you do get those other keys you might as well throw them away. they won't work the truck anymore. I reprogrammed your truck, not the key. WTF!!! So we have 2 sets of factory keys that are useless. Punk guy. My daughter was 16 and had no idea. But for him To wait till after to tell her. |
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Post by russiankid on Mar 1, 2015 12:43:32 GMT -5
I am trying to find an alternative way to see if my trans issue relates to the TSB posted by Mitsu for the 3rd gear shift flare. I have vistsed my local dealer and asked them to dig up records, but they said that Mitsu doesn't keep records like that on their vehicles. So my next question was how much would it run to get the PCm relfashed and of course the service guy told me that they would have to see what is wrong first at which point I told him nevermind. It is a simple procedure yet they're over complicating it. Don't keep records of what? Reflashing is usually 1 hr labor, so here its about $120. You will have to work with them on this. Even my techs will not flash a PCM just 'cause you got some wild hair. I would also suggest that you make it clear you're not expecting this to be some magic bullet. You need to understand that they're liable for the work they do. If they do this and then you come back complaining, they have to be able to back up what they did and why. Hmmmm. I'm guessing solenoid(s) or sensor would be the likely causes. That's where I'd go first before messing with the PCM and stuff. Edward I understand the risk that the dealer would be undertaking when someone like myelf comes in and asks for a specific operation to be done without any real justification. I wouldn't go back to the dealer and complain because I understand the risk I am taking and I have worked in the automotive industry before so I completely understand both sides. Now back to the sensors. My speedo sometimes jumps up when the trans shifts into 3rd or 4th. I know that the speedo uses the same sensor for the speedo as for the PCM...or at leat that is what I have gathered for research. That is my next step of testing to see if it provide different readings when cold and finally when hot. |
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Post by colted on Mar 1, 2015 22:22:44 GMT -5
Just went to Lowes this morning hoping to get my key duplicated again.....they checked it and said it has a chip on it....and no can do...  |
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Post by russiankid on Mar 2, 2015 13:41:47 GMT -5
Looks like your only option would be the dealer. I have a spare key locked in my safe and another spare hidden in the truck. So if I lose two sets of keys, I'll always have a third.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Mar 4, 2015 16:34:13 GMT -5
... I understand the risk that the dealer would be undertaking when someone like myelf comes in and asks for a specific operation to be done without any real justification. I wouldn't go back to the dealer and complain because I understand the risk I am taking and I have worked in the automotive industry before so I completely understand both sides. Yep. You wouldn't. I wouldn't. But you'd be surprised at how many complaints I've read of guys demanding that a tech do something and then coming back blaming the dealership for 'screwing something up'. They are understandably paranoid. The VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor). That is correct. The speedometer and PCM uses the same signal from the VSS. Edward |
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