The All New Montero spotted in Thailand
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Post by colted on Jul 12, 2015 21:59:41 GMT -5
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 13, 2015 13:53:55 GMT -5
Looks like a Subaru Outback. Edward
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Post by r0llinlacs on Jul 15, 2015 22:03:26 GMT -5
I think it looks better like this. Lol.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 16, 2015 13:55:58 GMT -5
I think it looks better like this. Lol. .... Good God! Staring at that will give you seizures! Edward
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Post by colted on Jul 16, 2015 23:30:10 GMT -5
I think it looks better like this. Lol. .... Good God! Staring at that will give you seizures! Edward it actually triggers my vertigo....LOL
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Post by colted on Aug 1, 2015 22:25:03 GMT -5
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Post by jkdv8 on Aug 2, 2015 13:59:12 GMT -5
Looks good. 8 speed is a plus. They added a bunch of new stuff.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Aug 3, 2015 13:55:18 GMT -5
"promises better off-road capability" Seriously? Than what? An Outback? This is as bad as Chrysler still trying to claim the Grand Cherokee is still an 'off road vehicle'. Edward
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Post by jkdv8 on Aug 4, 2015 17:52:51 GMT -5
"promises better off-road capability" Seriously? Than what? An Outback? This is as bad as Chrysler still trying to claim the Grand Cherokee is still an 'off road vehicle'. Edward Did they switch to a unibody with this model. Looks as if it has a bit more ground clearance that the previous gen. I think it would be better just with the fact it uses the updated 4 wheel drive system out of the Montero but with less weight. Seems like a win win. Hill decent assist for the novice. Sounds like a pretty rounded out package. I'm just curious of your statement.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Aug 4, 2015 20:01:25 GMT -5
"promises better off-road capability" Seriously? Than what? An Outback? This is as bad as Chrysler still trying to claim the Grand Cherokee is still an 'off road vehicle'. Edward Did they switch to a unibody with this model. Looks as if it has a bit more ground clearance that the previous gen. I think it would be better just with the fact it uses the updated 4 wheel drive system out of the Montero but with less weight. Seems like a win win. Hill decent assist for the novice. Sounds like a pretty rounded out package. I'm just curious of your statement. "Traction control', 'Hill Descent', 'Asymmetrical AWD', etc. - this is all useless crap off road. Its not only useless - its a giant liability. This stuff is dreamed up by marketing and/or 'safety' experts to get the uneducated (and easily impressed) masses to buy their products. But, vehicles today are sold by packing completely useless, dangerous crap into them. The more crap, the more vehicles they sell. They're not vehicles, they're infotainment systems. For a street/highway vehicle, whatever. If it dies, call AAA. But, "promises more off road capability"? Like I said, "Then what? A Civic??" "off road capability" isn't just slapping a bunch of gee-gaws on a vehicle. I'd be absolutely terrified to take this thing someplace remote. Exactly what the hell are you supposed to do if something breaks? There is a saying, "The more things there are to go wrong, the more things WILL go wrong." The heart of an 'off road capable vehicle' is simplicity and durability. Simplicity is what's made Jeeps the off road vehicle of choice since the troops started coming home from WWII. Simplicity is ALSO what makes a vehicle modifiable. Which is something those of you who whine about 'no aftermarket parts' should pay attention to. Do any of you have any idea how much grief this crap causes the Jeep crowd? Try modifying around computerized 'traction control'. 'Bigger tires, sir? Oh, I'm sorry, you can't change the tire size. The computer won't allow you to do that.' If they REALLY wanted to make this 'more off road capable', it'd be a '99 Sport with a solid front axle and locking front and rear electric differentials, a NP242 transfer case (2WD/4HI/4LO/AWD), and either remove ABS entirely or make it selectable - same with the air bags. They have done nothing but go backwards since the Gen 2 Sport. This would be a simple, easily maintained, easily serviced, extremely capable off road vehicle that would also be unstoppable on the street. OMG, yes, you'd actually have to learn how to use a - dare I say it? - SHIFTER! AND - wait for it! - BRAKES!! Oh, yea, AND EVEN learn how your vehicle handles and drives over various terrain so you'd know when and if to use the lockers!!! GASP!!!! Totally crazy, I know! I realize most of you - most of the people on all the forums - don't really go 'off road' so when someone spouts 'increases off road capability', you don't know what 'off road' means so you don't have any way to judge whether they're telling the truth or just spouting BS. In this case its BS. This thing is no more 'off road capable' than a Subaru Outback. Edward
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Post by jkdv8 on Aug 5, 2015 16:09:43 GMT -5
Did they switch to a unibody with this model. Looks as if it has a bit more ground clearance that the previous gen. I think it would be better just with the fact it uses the updated 4 wheel drive system out of the Montero but with less weight. Seems like a win win. Hill decent assist for the novice. Sounds like a pretty rounded out package. I'm just curious of your statement. "Traction control', 'Hill Descent', 'Asymmetrical AWD', etc. - this is all useless crap off road. Its not only useless - its a giant liability. This stuff is dreamed up by marketing and/or 'safety' experts to get the uneducated (and easily impressed) masses to buy their products. But, vehicles today are sold by packing completely useless, dangerous crap into them. The more crap, the more vehicles they sell. They're not vehicles, they're infotainment systems. For a street/highway vehicle, whatever. If it dies, call AAA. But, "promises more off road capability"? Like I said, "Then what? A Civic??" "off road capability" isn't just slapping a bunch of gee-gaws on a vehicle. I'd be absolutely terrified to take this thing someplace remote. Exactly what the hell are you supposed to do if something breaks? There is a saying, "The more things there are to go wrong, the more things WILL go wrong." The heart of an 'off road capable vehicle' is simplicity and durability. Simplicity is what's made Jeeps the off road vehicle of choice since the troops started coming home from WWII. Simplicity is ALSO what makes a vehicle modifiable. Which is something those of you who whine about 'no aftermarket parts' should pay attention to. Do any of you have any idea how much grief this crap causes the Jeep crowd? Try modifying around computerized 'traction control'. 'Bigger tires, sir? Oh, I'm sorry, you can't change the tire size. The computer won't allow you to do that.' If they REALLY wanted to make this 'more off road capable', it'd be a '99 Sport with a solid front axle and locking front and rear electric differentials, a NP242 transfer case (2WD/4HI/4LO/AWD), and either remove ABS entirely or make it selectable - same with the air bags. They have done nothing but go backwards since the Gen 2 Sport. This would be a simple, easily maintained, easily serviced, extremely capable off road vehicle that would also be unstoppable on the street. OMG, yes, you'd actually have to learn how to use a - dare I say it? - SHIFTER! AND - wait for it! - BRAKES!! Oh, yea, AND EVEN learn how your vehicle handles and drives over various terrain so you'd know when and if to use the lockers!!! GASP!!!! Totally crazy, I know! I realize most of you - most of the people on all the forums - don't really go 'off road' so when someone spouts 'increases off road capability', you don't know what 'off road' means so you don't have any way to judge whether they're telling the truth or just spouting BS. In this case its BS. This thing is no more 'off road capable' than a Subaru Outback. Edward Couldn't agree more with simplicity aspect but we're not dealing with a Land Rover. However stuff like hill decent assist and traction control can usually be disabled plus if it sells more maybe just maybe they'll expand the market and send them elsewhere. I could only hope. The locker would be a plus (or limited slip w/ a locker) with the super select or active trac (whatever it's called) system. As time goes on however they do move further away from an ideal off-roader because there isn't a large enough market for the serious off-roader and it usually means having a vehicle that is less than desirable to drive on the streets. Not that Im opposed to it but, they all tend to follow the money which is in fuel efficient grocery getters with a soft ride. This in turn has caused all the manufactures to adapt. At some point we will end up with electric 4x4's that are cars that use "adjustable" suspension. I think the outback comment is a bit of a stretch though. Anything with a selectable transfer case would be better than that.
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Post by dirk on Aug 6, 2015 12:37:29 GMT -5
Living where I do, being able to go off road means you can drive it up your driveway year round lol. And is very desirable. But most 4x4 vehicles here are major rust buckets. I'm having a hell of a time trying to keep mine from rusting. Wicked uphill battle.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Aug 7, 2015 18:22:45 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more with simplicity aspect but we're not dealing with a Land Rover. No, Mitsu is still somewhat higher quality than India. No, you're missing the point. Disabling something doesn't remove it from the system. All the parts and peices and wiring are still there. If you 'turn it off' and damage something in the back of nowhere, its still damaged irrespective of if its 'turned off'. And 'turned off' usually isn't really turned off. Can't remember who it is, maybe Toy, but if you turn off ABS (it had this feature), and there is an issue it STILL causes a fault. This stuff isn't implemented mechanically like our AWD. Its all computer driven through software, sensors hydraulics and electronics. Tech told me a bit back that traction control (on something, don't remember what) had upwards of a half dozen computer modules to control that. All of which are un-Godly expensive, BTW. What I've been saying is very much the same concerns being voiced in regards to self-driving vehicles. At some point the complexity is so high that they're not maintainable at a level that makes the vehicle safe and the likelihood of a component failure - because there are a ZILLION components - is close to a 100% certainty on any given day. I maintain my vehicle more like the military maintains their F22s (and probably spend the same amount of $$s) - the vast majority of the population can't change their oil on time. So, I'll pose a question or two. What happens when 'traction control' fails and locks a wheel at the wrong time? Or what happens if 'hill descent' decides to quit working all of a sudden? Ok, we'll just build in a bunch of safety system. Super. Now you have a bunch more points of failure. Won't help Mitsu. Based on what I've been hearing, Mitsu is out of the US and most likely EU in five years at the most. My gut tells me closer to three. We'll see on the timing, but its over for Mitsu in the western world. Yes, you are correct. That thing is certainly not an off road vehicle and its not modifiable at any level other than trim. Hell, its almost impossible to do anything to the Gen 2 Sports. I'm in transmission hell now, trying to figure out how to take the A/T out of my '99 and put in a Mitsu AW3 without ending up with a boat anchor with wheels. Edward
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Post by jkdv8 on Aug 11, 2015 20:59:24 GMT -5
Yea, I've never been a fan of driver aides myself. Takes away from the experience.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Aug 12, 2015 16:38:12 GMT -5
We already have vehicles with that. Its flipping scary. Every time I read another Google self-driving car article I get chills. Not good chills, either. I live in a state with actual winter with snow and CDOT dumps insane amounts of de-icer - which will destroy an electrical system. A couple years ago I talked to a CDOT guy about the de-icer. All winter long, all they're doing is fixing electrical wiring on their trucks. He said its horrible. If the stuff can get in anywhere it does and worse it migrates. So it doesn't just affect the specific area, it'll migrate like penetrating oil all the way up into the wiring. CO certainly isn't the only place that uses de-icer. So, the more complicated vehicles get electrically and electronically, the worse the problem. But, I agree that's the direction they're going and why. Its still a bad idea. Oh, I don't know about that. All transfer cases are not created equal. Yea, I've never been a fan of driver aides myself. Takes away from the experience. Depends on the 'driver aid'. GPS is a good thing. Integrated GPS is just stupid, but GPS is a lot easier to use than maps. What 'driver aids' do is create an inflated sense of confidence and that is a very, very bad thing both on the pavement and off road. Edward
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