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Post by jpele21 on Apr 17, 2016 21:26:12 GMT -5
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Post by pinstryper on Apr 17, 2016 22:37:31 GMT -5
Very. Nice
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Post by jkdv8 on Apr 19, 2016 14:02:56 GMT -5
Yea I wish they would've gave the revamped model a chance over here. They keep the same design for 7-8 years, cancel it due to sales, then redisign it  Go figure. It adopted the Montero 4wd system the same year. |
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Post by ES_97Sport on Apr 22, 2016 18:40:11 GMT -5
There isn't anything in that entire video that requires a locking differential. A good set of A/Ts on a stock Gen 1 or Gen 2 Sport with a limited slip in the rear could have done all that. I really hate advertising videos.  Running that vehicle through the water at speeds high enough for the water to come over the hood is exactly what you're not supposed to do. Sigh. I should have took some video of the stuff we were doing in Moab this week. 4-5 foot shelves covered in sand, broken rock and more sand. THAT'S what lockers are for.  Edward |
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Post by pinstryper on Apr 22, 2016 18:49:15 GMT -5
Looks pretty though...
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Post by ES_97Sport on Apr 22, 2016 19:10:57 GMT -5
When it'll do this - up hill - then I'll be impressed. This was about average of what we were on all week. Parts of Tip Toe, Pritchett and Behind the Rocks. I may be just a little calloused .... Edward |
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Post by palmsprings on Apr 22, 2016 20:50:36 GMT -5
i think the OM says not to go into deeper than 1.5 ft. Is that because of a vent tube? |
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Post by jpele21 on Apr 22, 2016 22:07:05 GMT -5
Not challenging...but would be nice to have that truck in US
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Post by jkdv8 on Apr 23, 2016 17:56:08 GMT -5
I do believe it is a locking center diff though. It does however have two different differential pictures on the cluster. In retrospect if you were to only have one or the other the locked center diff is probably the better route as it would have a positive impact on both axles rather than just one.
As for fording water it depends on where the intake is as well.
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Post by jkdv8 on Apr 23, 2016 17:56:21 GMT -5
Ah the one click double post.... |
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Post by ES_97Sport on Apr 24, 2016 13:31:16 GMT -5
i think the OM says not to go into deeper than 1.5 ft. Is that because of a vent tube? There are several reasons manufacturers specify depth limits. 1) Air intake ground height 2) Vents - diffs, transmission, transfer case 3) Sensors - some are sealed, some are not 4) Wiring connectors - under-body connectors are usually watertight, but not (all) engine bay, body connectors 5) Cabin door sealing - some cabins are completely watertight, some not at all and some only up to a certain point 6) Cabin body sealing - same a #5 7) Seals - hubs, t-case, transmission, differentials, etc. 8) Engine cooling fan(s) - possible damage to the fan motor(s), shroud, radiator and/or fan blades 9) Engine sealing - possibility of water entering the crank case through vents, etc. 10) Damage from cold water hitting hot parts - obvious example in re: our Sports, the exhaust manifolds  11) Placement of electronics ground height Those are the ones I know of off the top of my head anyway. A good example of #5 and #6 was the late '90s through very early '00s Pathfinder. Doors were not double sealed like the Sports. If the water exceeded door height, the cabin would leak like a sieve. The cabin was not completely watertight either. Found all this out the hard way. Edward |
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Post by ES_97Sport on Apr 24, 2016 13:39:39 GMT -5
I do believe it is a locking center diff though. It does however have two different differential pictures on the cluster. In retrospect if you were to only have one or the other the locked center diff is probably the better route as it would have a positive impact on both axles rather than just one. If you had to chose between a locking axle differential and a locking transfer case, you ALWAYS choose the locking transfer case. Better to loose drive on a wheel than an entire axle. I watched a Lexus week before last in our parking lot that was unable to get through 6" of snow because as soon as the front slipped the back stopped even though the back was still on dry pavement. Same with a '90s Toy some years ago. As soon as the front or rear slipped on gravel, the entire other axle lost drive. You can compensate somewhat for the lack of locking axle differentials with tires and articulation. There's nothing you can do to help the lack of a locking t-case. Did anyone see if that thing even has a transfer case? Or is it glorified AWD? Edward |
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Post by palmsprings on Apr 24, 2016 13:55:18 GMT -5
I do believe it is a locking center diff though. It does however have two different differential pictures on the cluster. In retrospect if you were to only have one or the other the locked center diff is probably the better route as it would have a positive impact on both axles rather than just one. If you had to chose between a locking axle differential and a locking transfer case, you ALWAYS choose the locking transfer case. Better to loose drive on a wheel than an entire axle. I watched a Lexus week before last in our parking lot that was unable to get through 6" of snow because as soon as the front slipped the back stopped even though the back was still on dry pavement. Same with a '90s Toy some years ago. As soon as the front or rear slipped on gravel, the entire other axle lost drive. You can compensate somewhat for the lack of locking axle differentials with tires and articulation. There's nothing you can do to help the lack of a locking t-case. Did anyone see if that thing even has a transfer case? Or is it glorified AWD? Edward Good to know. My limited experience has been in 60s 70s 4x4 and never had an issue.Well ,that I remember,except if the fan hit water it drowned out the ford's front placed distributor. Oh and water got inside the cab and i never checked the diffs,axles,hmmmm,Well it must have not been all that deep for any length of time |
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Post by ES_97Sport on Apr 24, 2016 14:29:05 GMT -5
... Good to know. My limited experience has been in 60s 70s 4x4 and never had an issue. .... I don't know of any '60-70s transfer cases that weren't locking. The QuadraTrac thing in the Comanche normally wasn't but it had a switch in the glove box that locked the transfer case. All the old Saginaw and Dana t-cases I've seen are locking. Locking transfer cases were pretty much the norm from WWII through the late '80s. That didn't start changing until shift-on-the-fly, the removal of manual locking hubs and AWD made its debut. Non-locking transfer cases were generally the manufacturer's (cheap) attempts to turn 4WD into AWD. And to pacify the general public that doesn't know how to operate a 4WD vehicle. Here in a couple years anything resembling a true locking transfer case will disappear. All the (becoming) required traction control stuff will see to that. Edward |
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Post by jkdv8 on Apr 25, 2016 22:04:02 GMT -5
I do believe it is a locking center diff though. It does however have two different differential pictures on the cluster. In retrospect if you were to only have one or the other the locked center diff is probably the better route as it would have a positive impact on both axles rather than just one. If you had to chose between a locking axle differential and a locking transfer case, you ALWAYS choose the locking transfer case. Better to loose drive on a wheel than an entire axle. I watched a Lexus week before last in our parking lot that was unable to get through 6" of snow because as soon as the front slipped the back stopped even though the back was still on dry pavement. Same with a '90s Toy some years ago. As soon as the front or rear slipped on gravel, the entire other axle lost drive. You can compensate somewhat for the lack of locking axle differentials with tires and articulation. There's nothing you can do to help the lack of a locking t-case. Did anyone see if that thing even has a transfer case? Or is it glorified AWD? Edward I don think it has awd. Looked to be 2H, 4H, 4H center locked, 4L center locked. So maybe it isn't the Montero Super Select unless they did away with awd all together. |
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Go figure. It adopted the Montero 4wd system the same year. 
Running that vehicle through the water at speeds high enough for the water to come over the hood is exactly what you're not supposed to do. Sigh.
