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Post by ES_97Sport on Apr 26, 2016 14:41:50 GMT -5
... I don think it has awd. Looked to be 2H, 4H, 4H center locked, 4L center locked. So maybe it isn't the Montero Super Select unless they did away with awd all together. Looks like the Super Select II 4WD. Same as in the Pajero. So, 2HI, 4HI, 4HI lock and 4LO lock. 4HI is basically AWD. Ok, not 'basically'. Its just AWD. Rear diff lock of some kind although I can't tell how - or when - it operates. Wow. 37' turning circle? Seriously? Pathetic. 2016 Pajero Sport Spec SheetToo many stupid gee-gaws. Edward
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Post by jkdv8 on Apr 26, 2016 16:28:10 GMT -5
Cool so it does have a locking rear (GLS & Exceed) and center diff. I was wondering cause the OP mentioned it, it appears as it did from the cluster indicator, but the video didn't mention it or i missed it. Has about the same horsepower as the 3.0 but 300+ lb ft of torque. Not bad. 29 mpg or so and 6800lb towing. I wouldn't kick it out the garage.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Apr 26, 2016 19:37:51 GMT -5
Cool so it does have a locking rear (GLS & Exceed) and center diff. I was wondering cause the OP mentioned it, it appears as it did from the cluster indicator, but the video didn't mention it or i missed it. Yea, so it appears. I don't know how the RD works, though. I've been hearing some really stupid things wrapped around that functionality lately. The power and mileage is good. The problem is they have so much garbage packed into that thing that its impractical. They've (apparently) got real 4WD. Not pseudo-AWD4WD but real 4WD. With a locking RD. On a vehicle with about a bazillion points of failure and the turning circle of a full size Dodge pickup. ITS NOT PRACTICAL. Its useless off road and the 'off road' stuff is useless on the street. Either take all the useless 'safety' BS and electronics off and fix the turning circle and market it as a 'off road vehicle' to compete with the Wrangler and Land Cruiser, OR ... Take all the useless 'off road' stuff like the t-case, 4WD and LD off, put real AWD on and market it as a alternative Subaru. Seriously. What would you do with it? You can't take it off road. A few trips bouncing around and that thing will turn into an electrical nightmare from hell and maintenance would be another nightmare as well as insanely expensive. On the street you're just hauling around a bunch of useless 4WD stuff that does nothing but suck fuel and cost money to maintain. There is no point to this vehicle. Which I find puzzling given the markets where its sold. An awkward, expensive, delicate vehicle you can't maintain is the exact opposite of the entire Montero line back to its beginning. Yea, like I totally want to meet someone who would put a 7000 lb trailer on the back of a 4000 lb SUV. :rolleyes: Other than the 60 idiots from last week. Sigh. Nope. Sorry. I wouldn't take it at gun point. The Gen 1 was a good off road vehicle, and the Gen 2 was a good street vehicle; both were at least passable at opposing ends. This - this is neither, and that makes it a failure on Mitsu's part. I think my business partner would say, "This is what happens when you try to be all things to all people, and end up failing to do anything well." Edward
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Post by jkdv8 on Apr 26, 2016 20:54:29 GMT -5
Deep down you want one, it's ok, go ahead and admit it. I won't tell anyone.
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Post by dirk on Apr 27, 2016 10:40:40 GMT -5
I do wish I could just transplant one of the newer turbo diesels into my MS though. Or add a 5th gear for 65 to 70 mph highway cruising
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Post by MonteroSportHonduras on Apr 27, 2016 11:52:26 GMT -5
The competition it has, Toyota Fortuner and Ford Everest (both Asian/European market SUVS) have the same or similar tech gadgets and are used off the road. they do perform capably and survive that use so I don't see why this one wouldn't. Of course it is not a hardcore off road truck but it can survive out there.
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Post by jkdv8 on Apr 27, 2016 13:56:50 GMT -5
The competition it has, Toyota Fortuner and Ford Everest (both Asian/European market SUVS) have the same or similar tech gadgets and are used off the road. they do perform capably and survive that use so I don't see why this one wouldn't. Of course it is not a hardcore off road truck but it can survive out there. They have the new ones yet down there.
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Post by MonteroSportHonduras on Apr 28, 2016 8:45:36 GMT -5
The competition it has, Toyota Fortuner and Ford Everest (both Asian/European market SUVS) have the same or similar tech gadgets and are used off the road. they do perform capably and survive that use so I don't see why this one wouldn't. Of course it is not a hardcore off road truck but it can survive out there. They have the new ones yet down there. Yep, I've seen like 3 Montero Sports in the street, in fact I saw a white one this morning. The new Everest and new Fortuner are already here as well. Those are turbo diesel, the Toyota has a 3.0 and the Ford a 5 cylinder 3.2 those compete more with the Nativa since that one is still body on frame, solid rear axle and turbo diesel, just like those two. It has a 2.5 but packs a lot of power, 178 hp.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Apr 28, 2016 14:46:15 GMT -5
... have the same or similar tech gadgets and are used off the road. they do perform capably and survive that use so I don't see why this one wouldn't. Of course it is not a hardcore off road truck but it can survive out there. I am not singling anyone out and I'm not criticizing. Not everyone has the same level of experience or knowledge, ... ...but, this is the problem with building off road "capable" vehicles for a public that knows knows nothing about vehicles, off road or long term adverse condition use or their care and feeding. For how long? In the US SUVs in rural areas last for a few years before they start falling apart. Then they're trashed or left to rot because they're too expensive to repair. Their useful lifespans are significantly shortened because they're too expensive to maintain. And these are older MUCH SIMPLER, MORE INEXPENSIVE vehicles. This thing is a hundred times more complex and has inherent durability issues that older vehicles never had. Conditions in the US - even in rural areas - are nowhere near as bad as the markets this vehicle is targeted at. There's a different between 'survive once' and survive repeated use. I'm sorry, but just because you can take a Honda Accord 'off road' and it survives a couple times doesn't make it an 'off road' vehicle. I heard your line of reasoning from VW and VW Touareg owners. Anyone remember the original US VW campaign touting how amazing an off road vehicle the Touareg was? Yea, they 'survived'. For a year or two. And then they started falling apart and their owners couldn't afford to fix them. If they could figure out what was wrong in the first place. But, OMG, all the gee-gaws WERE SO COOL! Until they started breaking. If you wanted to drive this around the city and take it camping once a year for a couple days to the lake, fine, but pretending that this is anything even vaguely resembling up to the level of the original Monteros and Montero Sports, Land Cruisers, or Rovers is ridiculous. Edward
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Post by MonteroSportHonduras on Apr 28, 2016 17:10:15 GMT -5
You got a great point when seen in that perspective. Honestly, simple vehicles are a thing of the past now. Even the new Jeep Wranglers are not as tough as they were
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Post by jkdv8 on Apr 28, 2016 21:10:30 GMT -5
Yep, it is what it is. They follow the money and unfortunately it is not in the 4x4 sector plus, there isn't any incentive for any of them to build an indestructible off-roader. Japanese cars are quite reliable even given the complexity. The Aussies speak highly of these (older and newer ones) which makes for a good reference but, it really boils down to what you plan on doing with it. The majority of people on this site and those who buy 4x4s typically are not going to register for baja or climb Mt. Everest. For what they are it seems they're more than capable of handling what is thrown at them within the limitations of the vehicle in question. The serious off-roaders typically build a purpose built crawler with the roll cage tube frame, an engine, 4 wheels, and a seat or use an old cj7, c/k, bronco, or some other late model 4x4 platform. There are a couple places out there where you can build a cj5/7 from the ground up with new parts for $15k or less.
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Post by MonteroSportHonduras on Apr 29, 2016 11:01:18 GMT -5
Yep, it is what it is. They follow the money and unfortunately it is not in the 4x4 sector plus, there isn't any incentive for any of them to build an indestructible off-roader. Japanese cars are quite reliable even given the complexity. The Aussies speak highly of these (older and newer ones) which makes for a good reference but, it really boils down to what you plan on doing with it. The majority of people on this site and those who buy 4x4s typically are not going to register for baja or climb Mt. Everest. For what they are it seems they're more than capable of handling what is thrown at them within the limitations of the vehicle in question. The serious off-roaders typically build a purpose built crawler with the roll cage tube frame, an engine, 4 wheels, and a seat or use an old cj7, c/k, bronco, or some other late model 4x4 platform. There are a couple places out there where you can build a cj5/7 from the ground up with new parts for $15k or less. I'm an example, I built a fairly good off roader and barely used it. Now my Montero is 2wd and even with that I have managed to get out of the off the concrete situations I have faced. Comparing the first gen to the last gen of any 4wd vehicle will show that luxury, style and gadgets are what the majority of people want. Not real off road capabilities. The first Ford Explorer was truly an Explorer, good clearance, stout frame and good flex. The last one has the ground clearance of a car. Even the Jeep Cherokee has suffered this because there is an SRT8 version...
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