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Muddin
May 27, 2004 0:05:58 GMT -5
Post by HawkeyeSport on May 27, 2004 0:05:58 GMT -5
I live in Iowa and we don't have a lot of Rock climbing off road areas that a lot of you guys and gals have. We mostly have old cow roads with a lot of mud and ruts to drive in. My question is how does the MS handle in the mud and should I have a lot of confidence in driving it down mud road and not getting stuck. I think I better get rid of the Geolanders and get something a little more rugged. I had Pirelli Scorpion A/T's on my Grand Cherokee and there were great. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. Loren
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Muddin
May 27, 2004 8:21:28 GMT -5
Post by JakeinPa on May 27, 2004 8:21:28 GMT -5
I've been up and down some serious mud "roads" in my MS (02xls). The yoko's were fair to poor, but since I went to 265/75/16 Kelly MSR's I've been "slingin' mud" and having a blast. There are a couple of construction sites where they are moving dirt and makes for some great, albet limited, wheeling sites. Change tires and you shouldn't have any problems
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Muddin
May 27, 2004 8:37:53 GMT -5
Post by AirForceEagle1 on May 27, 2004 8:37:53 GMT -5
I have 31x10.5 R15 scorpions, but they are a mixture of mud/AT tire. Not mud, not AT, but special. They cost me $155 per tire. I would recommend going with a straight M/T though. Mine are performers, but still quiet, which works okay for now..but they don't make my specials in the 35x12.5 R16's like I want them, so i'll be going with the scorpion M/T next. Roll on!
P.s, scorpion MT's aired down, kick trail big time! I went from pulling a guy one foot per lunge to one pull all the way out of beach sand! just FYI...
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Muddin
May 27, 2004 10:09:26 GMT -5
Post by skidplate98 on May 27, 2004 10:09:26 GMT -5
Your kind of 4 wheeling is kinda different. Correct me if I'm wrong but you probably have pretty sticky mud out there. So you want a tire that mud won't get stuck in and a tire with a deep tread. I would suggest one of the M/T Super Swapper tires. And a bigger and wider tire is always better for mud too. If you really want to improve you traction then I would look into getting a Locker for your MS. Steve I live in Iowa and we don't have a lot of Rock climbing off road areas that a lot of you guys and gals have. We mostly have old cow roads with a lot of mud and ruts to drive in. My question is how does the MS handle in the mud and should I have a lot of confidence in driving it down mud road and not getting stuck. I think I better get rid of the Geolanders and get something a little more rugged. I had Pirelli Scorpion A/T's on my Grand Cherokee and there were great. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. Loren
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Muddin
May 27, 2004 17:58:25 GMT -5
Post by AirForceEagle1 on May 27, 2004 17:58:25 GMT -5
skid couldn't have said it any better... wider tires sport a wider stance, but also help with floatation. The more tire area you have impacting the ground, the better you are going to "float" through it. This is the main reason why most boggers love to floor it. They won't get stuck because they are "floating" on the mud instead of going down into it and digging a hole(like my 31x10.5's do). Also, sticky mud does need a tread like the super swamper, or my fav, the Super swamper TSL, to throw out the mud that it collected for a better bite.. the comparison is like taking a street tire into mud. The tire fills instantly, and you can barely rock your vehicle(which will not be enough to get out, no matter how long you try this). The tires need more bite, and having wider tires(at least 12.5, but I recommend 14.5's) will give you the best traction for the rotation.
Also keep in mind that high tire rotation speed(flooring it) helps clear your tire of mud due to centrifugal force, but also think about the high volume of mud re-adhearing to your tires in the contact area..(this is why rocking your vehicle works so well...the mud is thrown enough to clear your tire, but does not re-fill your tread with more mud(when you perform the maneuver properly). Roll on!
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Muddin
May 27, 2004 21:46:38 GMT -5
Post by HawkeyeSport on May 27, 2004 21:46:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice guys. I appreciate the help. The Yokohama's must go. I will have to check into your suggestions and see which way to go. I did really like the Pirelli Scorpions I had on my jeep. Since this is my daily driver and I am a Realtor, looks like I need two sets of rims/tires, so I don't look like a monster truck when picking up clients. But then again it may help also. Skid, that's some funny stuff!! we do have really sticky mud here. Stickiest in the Midwest. Its a combination of dirt and Missouri Clay. No disrespect to you Missourians as I am sure you know what I mean. Loren
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Muddin
May 28, 2004 12:03:46 GMT -5
Post by skidplate98 on May 28, 2004 12:03:46 GMT -5
If the M/T tires aren't your thing. Then I would look into the Yokohama A/T tire. I think it has the deepest tread of any A/T tire I have seen and I have been running the Pirelli Scorpions for a few years now. I just had to get some new winter tires this past month so I picked the Yokohama A/T tire. I Love them so far. They are very quiet and seem to really stick to the road when you turn. Steve Thanks for the advice guys. I appreciate the help. The Yokohama's must go. I will have to check into your suggestions and see which way to go. I did really like the Pirelli Scorpions I had on my jeep. Since this is my daily driver and I am a Realtor, looks like I need two sets of rims/tires, so I don't look like a monster truck when picking up clients. But then again it may help also. Skid, that's some funny stuff!! we do have really sticky mud here. Stickiest in the Midwest. Its a combination of dirt and Missouri Clay. No disrespect to you Missourians as I am sure you know what I mean. Loren
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Muddin
May 28, 2004 20:22:09 GMT -5
Post by 99SportLimited on May 28, 2004 20:22:09 GMT -5
Yeah The Yokohama Geolandar AT is a great tire, I'm currently running it in 285/75/16 which is equal to a 33X11.50 size tire. I also have Goodyear Wrangler MT/Rs in the same size.
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Muddin
May 29, 2004 20:38:30 GMT -5
Post by AirForceEagle1 on May 29, 2004 20:38:30 GMT -5
I dunno about any others than the swamper TSL's and the scorpions, but let me tell you this..I have NOT ONCE gotten stuck with these tires . One situation called for less PSI, but If you know how to drive(which I have about seven years experience of snow, heavy rain sand, and beach sand)your rig, and match it with a suitable tire for your fav. 4wheelin spot, you WON'T get stuck...Just know your limits...and don't dig...I prefer idling or no higher than 1600 rpm (4lo usually) to get through sticky situations, not balls to the wall...I don't want to break anything though, so all you thrill seekers go ahead..bust your rig..I prefer not to..
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