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Post by Magician on May 7, 2004 20:01:05 GMT -5
I wrote a letter to Injen and they told me that they do make a Cold Air Intake System for the Montero Sport  I asked them about my model/year car. I have a 1999 Montero Sport 3.0L V6. Here is what they said: [glow=red,2,300]FROM INJEN REP:[/glow] |
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Post by mitsubishiL200 on May 7, 2004 22:34:24 GMT -5
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Post by ronab2k on May 7, 2004 23:57:22 GMT -5
It always bugs me why they call it " 'cold' air intake" when the filter is surrounded by hot engine air. To me, car engineers spend time designing that plastic intake tube to get air from somewhere near the front top to get "colder" air. For $200....its really more about getting a bigger air filter than anything. I dont see anything cold about it. Makes me wonder what real car engineers think of all these aftermarket products...
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Post by AirForceEagle1 on May 8, 2004 1:13:14 GMT -5
Spoken like a true man..but a tad late... I wrote this a few days ago.. so enjoy! I only have one bad thing to say about the injen intake is that it sucks hot air.. DON"T do this guys..  IF you do get(or have) an injen already, do what Cwic did and get the intake to the front via a hole cut in the radiator mounting wall. (I'm not sure how to do this with an injen, but you guys can figure it out I'm sure.) Hot air kills HP and mileage, so if you are expecting more Low-speed torque, forget it. All you are sucking in is underhood temp air. This is MUCH worse than the stock setup was... If you live in arrid regions where its hot anyway and you don't think it matters, trust me. Desert temps @40+ mph are much lower than whats under your hood, reguardless! ALso, with a front(Ram air or similar setup, even sitting idling you'd still be sucking in cooler air than an injen could ever promise. The motor heats up when its idling because the air isn't flowing through the radiator barely at all, even if it does have an electric fan(2000 models and up I think), you're still sucking underhood hot air. Cold Air People.. Cold Air. Thats the key. Getting good airflow is only half the challenge, getting great airflow that is ten or twenty+ degrees lower is going to do wonders. But if you want to go ahead and try it. You'll see.. I stuck a cheap auto inside/outside time electronic thermometer in my stock intake entrance before I modified the setup. I came to 95 degrees(its 81-85 degrees on guam), while driving an average of 35-40mph, and this was the COOLEST It ran. With the custom intake design I have, I am sucking in 76 degree air straight to the stock filter box.. I took off almost 20 degrees because I went to the front for air! Just imagine what you could do if you modified the injen to the front. You'd get more HP, Mileage and cooler temps than I can with my ABS pipe setup! I just paid about one tenth the price you did(low-ranking still and I'm paying for a wedding..gimme a break!) I'm not dissing the injen, but for gosh sakes the manufacturer should've seen that problem coming. They only marketed it because its so easy to install and it gets more airflow, creating better HP. If they would have finished the job, you wouldn't be sucking hot air, and I wouldn't be writing this about the injen. I would be recommending the injen and dissing another product that fell short of the HP, mileage and Temperature improvements. So give that a think and lemme know what your thoughts are on it..  In performance terms, I've noticed more "back in the seat" feel but really the most gains are in the gas mileage. Definitely fix or kick the injen..its not worth it.. I still am somewhat skeptical on the tornado, but I'll just have to try it one day when I can afford it. Flowmasters are alright, and if you want the throaty sound, definitely the muffler for you. But, consider this, if you don't care about sound limits, the bigger the muffler size(those that are NOT stock and ARE designed for bigger sized engines) are gonna give you more HP than a muffler designed for your motor. The reason is simple, resonance. This is what makes the muffler so loud, is the exhaust pounding the sides of the muffler and if there is more to bang around, more sound comes. The size also creates little, if any back pressure. For those that believe in back pressure, all the power to ya, but I personally would run pure chopped headers(and nothing else, not even pipe) for the most HP and fuel mileage if it were legal( and not deafening) to do so. ;D Now, on to the idiot thing.. If you are going to challenge one of my articles with anything, please research it PROPERLY. Use your phone, internet, even talk to the engineers who originally designed the part themselves.. Do your homework first! I won't make fun of anyone if they are struggling with a problem, even if it means they are trying to turn the ignition key backward to start the vehicle...Thats what we are ALL here for, to provide the best possible (and accurate) information, specs and procedures for anyone who is stuggling with it. Although a lot of help can be acquired by this site, some problems involve a bit more investigation, then if you are still having problems, let us know. Also, a big thing is safety. If something you feel is unsafe, let us know so that we can all investigate it and if need be, report it to the manufacturer as a possible defect, so it can save lives. Its about all of us uniting under the common flag, we have have some type and year of montero. May all of you get the best HP and mileage ever when you drive again. Oh, and if you screw up your body(on the montero) so bad that you can't keep it on.. Screw it, tear it off and ride it like a man!! Just don't forget pictures now!  |
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Post by Magician on May 8, 2004 1:55:13 GMT -5
Can I get an Intake setup to go to the front of my MS without modifying anything?
I don't think there is a way to get an Injen Intake to go to the front of the car.
What can I do to get a Good Cold Air Intake System in my MS? What should I do and who should I contact to do it or make it?
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Post by AirForceEagle1 on May 8, 2004 14:08:00 GMT -5
I made it myself. I don't have any pictures, but basically took 2inch ABS(black) pipe and went from my stock air cleaner box, out the stock hole, down also into the wheel area, then turned straight forward to a reducer that went from 4inch pipe to a 2inch, creating a funnel type effect. I noticed HP, Mileage and some torque. . This has its clear advantges, just don't drive this way when you're crossing streams or incredibly heavy rain..you might get some water in the intake(which as long as the motor keeps running, its okay, it will clear it out on its own). Hands down, the best thing to do is put a smaller sized scoop on your hood, cut through the hood and install the pipe directly to that..but I'm short on money, so I went with this. All the parts cost me $25.Pics to come in mid july.  |
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Post by 00RalliartMS on May 10, 2004 14:57:01 GMT -5
i found a guy that sould sell a complete injen cold air for 190 shipped!... I can give it to you for $190 shipped. Please let me know if you need it. Thank you. Thanks Power Garage, Inc. www.powergarage.comYahoo Messenger: power_garage |
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Post by AirForceEagle1 on May 10, 2004 16:05:28 GMT -5
Now, is this TRUE cold air or is it the underhood model?
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Post by 00RalliartMS on May 10, 2004 17:14:37 GMT -5
its that underhood model  |
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Post by remembertofocus on May 12, 2004 16:52:40 GMT -5
the term is "RAM air" like you'd put in most imports...i get frustrated too and posted this in another intake thread...RAM air and COLD air are two different things, and belive the only way to COLD air is a custom job...anyways...do a hood scoop...that would cool down your hood like no other...
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Post by AirForceEagle1 on May 15, 2004 5:57:35 GMT -5
I'm curious. Please explain the difference in Ram Air that differs from MY Cold Air Induction method..Maybe I'm missing something...
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Post by cwic on May 15, 2004 13:33:17 GMT -5
I was wondering too but i think he meant to say ...ram air is something u put on most DOMESTICS as most imports at least mitsus work on vaccume not forced induction.
Clay
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Post by brewster on May 15, 2004 16:54:04 GMT -5
Ram Air is something you would find on old muscle cars. The air flows through the hood scoop onto the air intake, effectively ramming the air into your engine.
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Post by brewster on May 15, 2004 16:57:37 GMT -5
Oh I forgot to mention that if you are not moving you will not get the ram air benefits, such as if you are trying to dyno your car, the horsepower numbers will be a little off.
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Post by AirForceEagle1 on May 16, 2004 1:49:00 GMT -5
Well, I have to completely agree with brewster..Ram air is only effective when you are moving down the road. No one figures this, but when you have RAM air(air coming in forces it through the filter and RAMS it down intake.) The air coming in is, by my definition, Cold Air Induction. The air may not necessarily be Cold by anyones definition, but compared to the temperature underneath the hood, the outside air is at a much lower temperature, hence my term of Cold Air Induction. Cool beans, bros...
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IF you do get(or have) an injen already, do what Cwic did and get the intake to the front via a hole cut in the radiator mounting wall. (I'm not sure how to do this with an injen, but you guys can figure it out I'm sure.) Hot air kills HP and mileage, so if you are expecting more Low-speed torque, forget it. All you are sucking in is underhood temp air. This is MUCH worse than the stock setup was... If you live in arrid regions where its hot anyway and you don't think it matters, trust me. Desert temps @40+ mph are much lower than whats under your hood, reguardless! ALso, with a front(Ram air or similar setup, even sitting idling you'd still be sucking in cooler air than an injen could ever promise. The motor heats up when its idling because the air isn't flowing through the radiator barely at all, even if it does have an electric fan(2000 models and up I think), you're still sucking underhood hot air. Cold Air People.. Cold Air. Thats the key. Getting good airflow is only half the challenge, getting great airflow that is ten or twenty+ degrees lower is going to do wonders. But if you want to go ahead and try it. You'll see.. I stuck a cheap auto inside/outside time electronic thermometer in my stock intake entrance before I modified the setup. I came to 95 degrees(its 81-85 degrees on guam), while driving an average of 35-40mph, and this was the COOLEST It ran. With the custom intake design I have, I am sucking in 76 degree air straight to the stock filter box.. I took off almost 20 degrees because I went to the front for air! Just imagine what you could do if you modified the injen to the front. You'd get more HP, Mileage and cooler temps than I can with my ABS pipe setup! I just paid about one tenth the price you did(low-ranking still and I'm paying for a wedding..gimme a break!) I'm not dissing the injen, but for gosh sakes the manufacturer should've seen that problem coming. They only marketed it because its so easy to install and it gets more airflow, creating better HP. If they would have finished the job, you wouldn't be sucking hot air, and I wouldn't be writing this about the injen. I would be recommending the injen and dissing another product that fell short of the HP, mileage and Temperature improvements. So give that a think and lemme know what your thoughts are on it.. 
