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Post by bdmontero on May 3, 2008 12:00:44 GMT -5
 I have been reading ALOT of reviews about this method of using water as an alternative for gas and you are suppose to get like 400 miles on 1 gallon water!!!! I know this is not a gimmick and the only down-side is you have to get EVERYTHING ceramic coated inside your engine and your exhaust as so it won't rust. The ceramic kit is only 30.00 to coat everything but I don't know about doing it yet. I would like to hear some feed-back on this and see what everybody thinks of it.
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Post by cwic on May 5, 2008 20:12:14 GMT -5
well i know the ceramic coating on my headers was 180$ so something seems to be off.
clay
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Post by bdmontero on May 6, 2008 17:56:25 GMT -5
exactly Cwic Some kid is probably sitting in his basement duct taping coke bottles and garden hoses together in his basement telling people it will work.lol
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Post by ES_97Sport on May 21, 2008 1:29:56 GMT -5
Most likely it's a missunderstanding of what's been read.
What bdmontero is almost certinly talking about is a marketing slogan. The real deal is running your car PARTIALLY on hydrogen and oxygen extracted from water. The 'fuel' is water which is 'split' into hydrogen and oxygen, hence the 'run your car on water' thing, and SUPLEMENTS the fuel you're already burning.
And, the reason they talk about the ceramic coatings - which BTW, only includes the exhaust valves, exhaust manifolds and exhaust pipes is because the exhaust is water vapor. The solution is stainless everything and cerami-coat the inside of the exhaust manifolds. Ceramic coating the inside of the exhaust manifolds if you're really shooting for milage should be done anyway.
The miliage quotes I've seen are somewhat missleading and confusing and most people missinterpret what they read.
400 miles on a gallon of water DOES NOT mean that your car now gets 400 miles to the gallon of gas. Your car STILL burns gas. A realistic estimate is a 5-20% IMPROVEMENT IN GAS MILIAGE. I've seen documention of 30-40% increases but that's with vehicles that are tuned and tweeked by people who know more about this than all of us on this board put together. On a good day.
Anyway, all that '400 miles on 1 gallon of water' means is that you will be able to drive 400 miles BEFORE you have to refil the water reseviour. You will still have to put gas in your Sport before then unless you plan on pushing it.:-)
BTW, that "400 miles on 1 gallon"? That also isn't necessarily true. From what I understand you need a minimum of 75 liters an hour to do anything usefull with a 3-3.5L - probably 100-125L is more accurate. Unfortunately, I don't know the math off the top of my head but 100L an hour is probably going to use more than 1 gallon per 400 miles. 5 gallon fuel cell for the water would probably be usefull.
And, now for the math....
IF you could get 20% and IF you were getting 20 MPG that's only a 4 MPG increase. The going rate for a built unit - that isn't just a sham - that'll produce about 75-100L of 'Brown's Gas' are around $800. You can, of course, build your own. It's not hard. REALLY. But, unless you have an engineering and electronics degree and a lot of chemistry background - good luck making it efficient enough to be usefull.
So, that's an extra 80 miles to a tank assuming you have a 20 gallon tank and make 20 MPG.
At $4 dollars a gallon that's about a $16 dollar a tank savings.
If you fill up once every two weeks you break even and have your $800 back in about 2 years.
Last thing, honest. Where are you going to put the water tank and the electrolizer. Neither are huge - just something to think about. The electrolizer produces heat. A LOT of heat. So, you can't just stick it under a seat or in a storage compartment. It has to be at least air cooled. So, they typically end up in engine bays. You wouldn't want this in a passenger compartment anyway. Hydrogen is explosive. Typical power usage appears to be in the 12-25 amp range. Something to consider since the alternators on our Sports aren't exactly power-houses.
It's not stupid and it's not a scam. This stuff just isn't quite as easy or cheap as it's made to sound by some people.
Edward
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Post by bdmontero on Sept 11, 2008 23:52:35 GMT -5
okayI found out that a gallon of distilled water(when mixed properly) can produce 1,866 puonds of browns gas. And I am going to try it at least. I dont even have 100.00 in my unit and should gain an average of 40% increase edward.
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Post by LimitedOThree on Sept 12, 2008 12:54:22 GMT -5
sounds like a great project. let us know how it works and take some pics.
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Post by bdmontero on Sept 12, 2008 18:23:59 GMT -5
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Post by cwic on Sept 12, 2008 18:58:21 GMT -5
you wont be able to find one because the one on our trucks is frequency. all ready tried
Clay
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Post by bdmontero on Sept 13, 2008 2:57:03 GMT -5
Sweet! Bid on one exactly like yours cwic!!! Does it have a blue screen? It is the apec II as well! I think ill pay 100.00 for it:) So I can use this to lean out my fuel and add hho gas instead right?
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Post by cwic on Sept 24, 2008 6:32:51 GMT -5
yes you can use it to lean out the fuel. i would also suggest you get a wideband so you know what your air to fuel ratio is unless you already have some way to monitor it. remember you dont want to run too lean or the truck will kick a code.
Clay
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Post by bdmontero on Oct 5, 2008 21:03:34 GMT -5
sounds good I got it almost done and is producing about 3 LPM's!! So I should see MPG's in the high 25's and low 30's!!!
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Post by timbuctoocal on Aug 11, 2010 19:50:11 GMT -5
I found the following post and couldnt find any follow ups. Water4u is a site yall should look at unless youre technically challanged like me. I discovered them about 3 yrs ago and it appears to still be working for many. sounds good I got it almost done and is producing about 3 LPM's!! So I should see MPG's in the high 25's and low 30's!!! |
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Post by irieco on Feb 26, 2011 2:53:46 GMT -5
I recently installed a HHO unit on my 1987 Jeep. I used to get 11 - 12 MPG and now I get 15 (my Jeep is a fuel pig). Haven't dialed it in though (I need an amp gauge). Any car that's newer than a 1996 will need a part called an EEFI (I think it modifies the cars ECM). Good systems have a "water" trap so I wouldn't worry about the ceramic stuff. There's alot of junk out there. I researched it for quite some time and a company called the Milage shop seemed to have the best product. Hope this helps.
L.C.
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Post by bdmontero on Feb 26, 2011 11:49:42 GMT -5
Yes just watch out for cheap?y built units made out of stainless steel as they emit hexavalient chromium!
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Post by 98panda on Sept 1, 2011 19:32:16 GMT -5
so whats the good word on this kit BD? i been researching as well and it seems legit, esp on my 4cyl i have all the room in the world under the hood. but what about this ceramic coating the valves and all that mess? the water will lead to rust holes? did you notice a significant MPG gain? and how did you install the SAFC II to monitor all this?
thanks
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I have been reading ALOT of reviews about this method of using water as an alternative for gas and you are suppose to get like 400 miles on 1 gallon water!!!! I know this is not a gimmick and the only down-side is you have to get EVERYTHING ceramic coated inside your engine and your exhaust as so it won't rust. The ceramic kit is only 30.00 to coat everything but I don't know about doing it yet. I would like to hear some feed-back on this and see what everybody thinks of it.
