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Post by pepegreece on Jun 25, 2013 3:10:31 GMT -5
Is it more hard to make a hard turn with the aussie lockers?
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Post by monty98 on Jun 25, 2013 12:12:07 GMT -5
With your front engaged yes, it will click around corners, not good for snowy weather as your front end will drift and not turn right. Off-road though, they're pretty awesome from what I hear. Wouldn't want it myself though as I use my 4wd more for bad road conditions than off-road, which means its just more dangerous since I need the wheels to be able to spin at different rates more often than not.
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Post by pepegreece on Jun 26, 2013 7:38:28 GMT -5
I 've heard that the new type of Aussie are living the outer wheel to turn faster when turning, solving this type of problems....Has anyone bought these? Well at least thats what they want to say... If on road this things don't happen..I must think it once again..By the way My Sport has the Easy Select..Not AWD..
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Post by monty98 on Jun 26, 2013 9:16:20 GMT -5
Well yes, since the Aussie locker IS an automatic locker when there is enough traction on both wheels in a turn the locker will disengage as needed.
However, when slippery conditions happen on the road each of the wheels don't have that same traction and so the locker might not disengage properly causing your front end to not be able to turn correctly.
What year sport do you have out of curiosity? I see 2007 in your sig (which means no Aussie locker)
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Post by pepegreece on Jun 27, 2013 9:31:27 GMT -5
Ibought it new on 2007 but it is a 2004 model... i was lucky enough to buy the last version with full extra on for free....
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 2, 2013 15:59:54 GMT -5
Better than nothing in the front - maybe - but no replacement for an ARB in the rear. Save you're nickels and dimes and stick with ARB, is my opinion.
This is NOT a true 'locker', BTW. If I remember correctly, if you have manual locking hubs and unlock one, the entire thing then behaves like an open differential. SO, if you blow a CV and have to unlock a hub or just need to unlock one hub for cornering, you're back to two wheel drive.
Edward
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Post by monty98 on Jul 3, 2013 14:20:05 GMT -5
Better than nothing in the front - maybe - but no replacement for an ARB in the rear. Save you're nickels and dimes and stick with ARB, is my opinion. This is NOT a true 'locker', BTW. If I remember correctly, if you have manual locking hubs and unlock one, the entire thing then behaves like an open differential. SO, if you blow a CV and have to unlock a hub or just need to unlock one hub for cornering, you're back to two wheel drive. Edward Well from what I understand it is not a true locker in the sense that it permanently locks the two axles together like the ARB until you flick the switch off then yes. Otherwise it is just like any other "lunchbox" locker out there. It takes the place of the gears inside the carrier so it is a "drop in" locker whereas the ARB and other selectable lockers replace the whole carrier right Edward? With that in mind couldn't one conceivably leave one hub unlocked (in theory here) and since the locker will get immense torque transfer to the obvious locked hub then per its design it would actually lock up right? ^^^^With that said I dug up some research from real world users....courtesy of pirate4x4.com Aussie front auto locker Pirate 4x44 |
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 3, 2013 15:54:41 GMT -5
Better than nothing in the front - maybe - but no replacement for an ARB in the rear. Save you're nickels and dimes and stick with ARB, is my opinion. This is NOT a true 'locker', BTW. If I remember correctly, if you have manual locking hubs and unlock one, the entire thing then behaves like an open differential. SO, if you blow a CV and have to unlock a hub or just need to unlock one hub for cornering, you're back to two wheel drive. Edward Well from what I understand it is not a true locker in the sense that it permanently locks the two axles together like the ARB until you flick the switch off then yes. Otherwise it is just like any other "lunchbox" locker out there. It takes the place of the gears inside the carrier so it is a "drop in" locker whereas the ARB and other selectable lockers replace the whole carrier right Edward? With that in mind couldn't one conceivably leave one hub unlocked (in theory here) and since the locker will get immense torque transfer to the obvious locked hub then per its design it would actually lock up right? ^^^^With that said I dug up some research from real world users....courtesy of pirate4x4.com Aussie front auto locker Pirate 4x44Correct. A true locked differential locks the left and right wheels and does not lock/unlock unless there is driver intervention. A spool is considered a 'locked' differential, because it ties the left and right wheels together but obviously, requires no intervention since it's permanently locked. All the pieces like the Detroit Locker, Aussie Locker, etc. really belong in the category of 'limited slip'. Advertisers absolutely don't want their stuff categorized as 'limited slip' as everyone that has no idea what locking actually means wouldn't buy their stuff. No, I don't think so. I'm digging this up from memory, KIM. Most of the time I'll defer to Pirate, but people who think it's 'cool' to put a locking or semi-locking setup in the front and run it on the street are idiots. It's dangerous and irresponsible. So, I tend to question their credibility. My 2 cents worth on 'automatic' lockers remains the same as it was years and years ago when the only option was the Detroit. I've been on the trail with these things. They have an annoying tendency to 'unlock' and 'lock' at the most inopportune time. The result is erratic and unpredictable behavior. I would NEVER, EVER, EVER!!!, recommend these to someone that hasn't driven a true locked vehicle for a while. Even true lockers are something that you have to learn to use over time and can still produce unpredictable behavior in vehicle handling. The problem with getting to the level of truly needing lockers is that you're at the level where one tiny screwup and you or someone else ends up seriously injured or dead. And you don't have to be a 'newb' for that to happen. We had an older gentleman here in CO a few years ago roll 1500 feet down an ridge line because one front tire got traction and flipped the vehicle sideways before he could react. He was very good and very knowledgeable, but he died in that accident just the same. The hallmark of a good vehicle is stability and predictability. Doesn't matter if it's a car, truck or motorcycle, or an off road crawler or a drag car. And, since no one probably remembers - these things eat tires. ALL locking differentials increase tire wear but these 'automatic' ones are worse 'cause you can't turn them off. So, be prepared to spend all the money you'd save NOT buying a REAL locking differential on tires.  Edward |
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Post by Twisted Noodle on Jul 3, 2013 19:44:45 GMT -5
Edward, incase you haven't heard it before.. You are a pretty intelligent S.O.B.. ;D .. Every time I read one of your posts, I always want to follow it up with "ED HAS SPOKEN"..
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Post by bdmontero on Jul 3, 2013 20:33:57 GMT -5
Yes the ARB air locker is the ultimate locker. During testing they tried to break it and couldn't. or hell. Even the factory rear air locker is better than a posi. I usually have dreams of owning one and swimming in a pool filled with beer and women adoring me.......then I wake up.  Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 16, 2013 16:42:09 GMT -5
Edward, incase you haven't heard it before.. You are a pretty intelligent S.O.B.. ;D .. Every time I read one of your posts, I always want to follow it up with "ED HAS SPOKEN".. You really need to get out more! LOL!! Edward |
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 16, 2013 17:11:52 GMT -5
Yes the ARB air locker is the ultimate locker. During testing they tried to break it and couldn't. or hell. Even the factory rear air locker is better than a posi. I usually have dreams of owning one and swimming in a pool filled with beer and women adoring me.......then I wake up. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Keep an eye out on the 'net. See if you can get in on one of the group buys. ARBs aren't that expensive. Maybe double the wanna-be 'lockers'. Usually what puts people off is the installation cost. Here in CO it's usually a $1000-1100 an axle including the ARB carrier. So, 1/3 of that is labor. That cost DOES NOT include running lines, compressor and whatever installation that entails. Which is kind of ridiculous since I've NEVER seen any qualified tech take 4+ hours to install an ARB. If you're a competent enough mechanic able to change out half shafts and axle shafts, then you can install one yourself. The most 'difficult' part is setting up the gears. And I use the word 'difficult' loosely. I learned how to set up gears out of a Car Craft issue 30 years ago. It's not rocket surgery. The front is more work because you have to pull everything apart to pull the half shafts so you can remove the carrier. The rear is cake. Pull the axles and drop the third member. You can do the installation on a work bench in comfort. The only 'specialized tool' you need is a power drill and a carbide drill bit to drill the hole for the air line. The only nit-picky thing that one needs to be careful about is the routing of the air line inside the housing. Set up the gears and you're done. With the advent of the Power Tank, you don't even need a compressor anymore. Which can take upwards of $500 dollars off the overall price tag. Lots of people power their ARBs off Power Tanks. No compressors. I installed my compressor setup WAY before I had my first ARB installed in the rear diff. It was before Power Tanks and I really needed the compressor because airing down is one of the key components of ending up with a killer off road Sport. Since i picked up my first set of Power Tanks the only thing the compressor powers are my ARBs and that's WAY, WAY overkill.  It's nice to have the compressor air system as a backup air source to fill tires but in real life it's become more of a liability than an asset. In the last four years I've had some idiot melt a hole in the air line half a dozen times. Every time I go to a muffler shop I have to babysit them. Fittings have to be checked and filters cleaned before almost every trip. My Quick Air I is getting long in the tooth and they quit making them so every trip I worry about it dieing (I actually installed a fitting so I could charge the tank from the Power Tank in case the compressor fails). Wiring has to be in tip top shape - always - since the QAI pulls close to 30 amps. PITA. My new build won't have a compressor. All the fittings and line are less than $100 from McMaster-Carr. No electrical wiring. One Power Tank, run the lines, and install the switches and I'll be ready to go. A lot less to have to worry about and things to go sideways on the trail. And, because I'm sure someone will bring up the cost of a Power Tank - check out Piriate. There's a bunch on making your own using whatever size CO2 tank you want. I'm a die-hard Power Tank fan - they do make a great product - but it's not the only game in town. Pirate 4x4 Tank LinkEdward |
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It's nice to have the compressor air system as a backup air source to fill tires but in real life it's become more of a liability than an asset. In the last four years I've had some idiot melt a hole in the air line half a dozen times. Every time I go to a muffler shop I have to babysit them. Fittings have to be checked and filters cleaned before almost every trip. My Quick Air I is getting long in the tooth and they quit making them so every trip I worry about it dieing (I actually installed a fitting so I could charge the tank from the Power Tank in case the compressor fails). Wiring has to be in tip top shape - always - since the QAI pulls close to 30 amps. PITA.