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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 3, 2015 15:53:45 GMT -5
... Think that one is setup with the spots in the middle and floods on the side. I to was curious about the draw however. Could be a mix of parallel and series wiring the individual LEDs. I'll have to go back and see if it says total wattage. They don't make much of a fuss around here for uncovered off road lights. I don't have any high powered ones though. I have seen some trucks with the high powered light bars running the streets. Hmmm, maybe I was reading about a different one. I thought it was the other way around, but .... Don't know, they're not very forthcoming with how they wire their stuff. None of the companies are. I don't think they've caught up with the light bars yet. Here they're pretty new and relatively scarce. Pretty sure the cops don't know what they're looking at yet. CO allows for up to four simultaneous 55W lights (low beam), or two 65W lights (high beam) on public roads. If I remember correctly UT is the same. Anything over 65W is required to be covered and may not be on when on public roads. I haven't been ticketed, but I had a State Patrol grumble about 'off road lights' until I pointed out they were covered and therefor legal. Know a few other people though that have been ticketed over the years. At the least it gives them probable cause. Edward
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Post by jkdv8 on Jul 3, 2015 20:34:07 GMT -5
... Think that one is setup with the spots in the middle and floods on the side. I to was curious about the draw however. Could be a mix of parallel and series wiring the individual LEDs. I'll have to go back and see if it says total wattage. They don't make much of a fuss around here for uncovered off road lights. I don't have any high powered ones though. I have seen some trucks with the high powered light bars running the streets. Hmmm, maybe I was reading about a different one. I thought it was the other way around, but .... Don't know, they're not very forthcoming with how they wire their stuff. None of the companies are. I don't think they've caught up with the light bars yet. Here they're pretty new and relatively scarce. Pretty sure the cops don't know what they're looking at yet. CO allows for up to four simultaneous 55W lights (low beam), or two 65W lights (high beam) on public roads. If I remember correctly UT is the same. Anything over 65W is required to be covered and may not be on when on public roads. I haven't been ticketed, but I had a State Patrol grumble about 'off road lights' until I pointed out they were covered and therefor legal. Know a few other people though that have been ticketed over the years. At the least it gives them probable cause. Edward My first thought was that they could be running each led at only 2 watts even though they are 5 watt. That would be kinda scandalous though but....... The laws here are probably similar but they don't seem to kick up too much of a fuss. Kinda redneck where I'm at though. Only a 20 min drive to where they filmed dukes of hazzard to give you an idea.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 6, 2015 15:52:13 GMT -5
... My first thought was that they could be running each led at only 2 watts even though they are 5 watt. That would be kinda scandalous though but....... Mmmmm. Maybe, but I agree. Wouldn't be the first time some company has done that with lights, though. My motto is don't give them any excuses. Marine D2 - Wide - SingleI've been looking at these. Corner lights inset into the ARB bull bar. Guys at the 4x shop seem to think these are reasonably decent. Expensive. Interesting note. Rated at 34.5W @ 2.5A. Doing the math that comes up to almost exactly what I figured for the light bar we've been talking about. The guys at the shop have said that Rigid Industries specs are pretty dang close. Anyway, these guy's specs are more what I expect. Anyway, just a thought. Edward
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Post by jkdv8 on Jul 8, 2015 15:00:04 GMT -5
... My first thought was that they could be running each led at only 2 watts even though they are 5 watt. That would be kinda scandalous though but....... Mmmmm. Maybe, but I agree. Wouldn't be the first time some company has done that with lights, though. My motto is don't give them any excuses. Marine D2 - Wide - SingleI've been looking at these. Corner lights inset into the ARB bull bar. Guys at the 4x shop seem to think these are reasonably decent. Expensive. Interesting note. Rated at 34.5W @ 2.5A. Doing the math that comes up to almost exactly what I figured for the light bar we've been talking about. The guys at the shop have said that Rigid Industries specs are pretty dang close. Anyway, these guy's specs are more what I expect. Anyway, just a thought. Edward Nice. I could live with those and if they are for marine that ups the durability aspect.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 8, 2015 15:46:12 GMT -5
... Nice. I could live with those and if they are for marine that ups the durability aspect. That's what I was thinking. I'm not sure about using the standard ones. My plan was to cut a hole for the lights on the ARB - one hole on each 'wing' just forward of the front tires and mount one on each side. Tie them into the turn signals so that when I turn on a turn signal, it turns on the 'corner light' (full on, not flashing like the turn signal) for that turn signal's side. Maybe run a switch to turn on both sides independent of the turn signals for trail use. The problem I have with the big Sport is actually in town, not so much on the trail. Pull up to a corner in the dark without street lights and there is NO illumination to the side. Impossible to see if someone is stepping off the curb when you're starting to turn. Anyway, mounting the lights there means they have absolutely no protection form the elements. Can't get horns to last more than two years at the outside. Maybe the standard ones would be ok, but I don't know yet. When i get serious I'll contact the light guys and ask. Edward
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Post by jkdv8 on Jul 8, 2015 16:02:11 GMT -5
... Nice. I could live with those and if they are for marine that ups the durability aspect. That's what I was thinking. I'm not sure about using the standard ones. My plan was to cut a hole for the lights on the ARB - one hole on each 'wing' just forward of the front tires and mount one on each side. Tie them into the turn signals so that when I turn on a turn signal, it turns on the 'corner light' (full on, not flashing like the turn signal) for that turn signal's side. Maybe run a switch to turn on both sides independent of the turn signals for trail use. The problem I have with the big Sport is actually in town, not so much on the trail. Pull up to a corner in the dark without street lights and there is NO illumination to the side. Impossible to see if someone is stepping off the curb when you're starting to turn. Anyway, mounting the lights there means they have absolutely no protection form the elements. Can't get hors to last more than two years at the outside. Maybe the standard ones would be ok, but I don't know yet. When i get serious I'll contact the light guys and ask. Edward Ah yes. A lot of Cadillacs use the cornering lights. Pretty good idea.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 13, 2015 19:53:47 GMT -5
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Post by jkdv8 on Jul 21, 2015 16:15:45 GMT -5
The second link is probably the route I would go with although that last one is intriguing. Being able to operate them while wheeling without activating the turn signals would be a plus to.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 21, 2015 18:46:20 GMT -5
... The second link is probably the route I would go with although that last one is intriguing. Being able to operate them while wheeling without activating the turn signals would be a plus to. Yea, the solid state stuff is interesting. I've got so many relays in my truck now that the thought of adding more mechanical contact relays doesn't particularly fill me with joy. Unless i can come up with a good reason, I'll probably go with the second option, too. I looked at the diagram again. So, T from the left and right turn signal +pos feed to each respective L/R TDR-P. That'll give the signal (pin 1) to trigger the side lamps when the turn signal is activated. To have an independent switch (both sides on simultaneously), one would need an independent 12V+ (fused, and in the case of this diagram ign-on) feed from the switch to pin 1 on both TDR-Ps. Also, two diodes would need to be wired into the respective turn signal T feeds (pin 1), otherwise when you turn on the switch you'd light up both turn signals, too. Given how our turn signals lamps are designed, I can't see any point in that at all. In the diagram the Left and Right feeds to pin 1 (respectively) would run like ... Flasher->Turn Signal Switch->Wire->Diode->TDR-P. Hmmmmmm. I need to diagram this out. Might be a short, simple project for this summer. Edward
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Post by jkdv8 on Jul 22, 2015 15:51:55 GMT -5
Could you use that dual input solid state. Have turn feed on one input and the manual override on the other with one covering each corner. You have prices on those.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 22, 2015 16:34:33 GMT -5
Could you use that dual input solid state. Have turn feed on one input and the manual override on the other with one covering each corner. You have prices on those. No prices on the solid state stuff. I THINK its about the same as Wolsten. Nope. Pin 87a and 87, Input A and Input B, can not be used together. You use either A or B, but not both. You use 87a or 87 depending on your application ... Input A (87a): External contact closure to +12 volts Input B (87): External contact closure to ground Wolsten Tech TDR-P works the same way. For this application you'd need to use 87a - 12V+ from the turn signals. Its not that big a deal. Couple blocking diodes wouldn't run more than a couple bucks from Mouser or Allied. I'll do up a diagram and post it up. Edward
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 23, 2015 12:44:26 GMT -5
... Marine D2 - Wide - SingleI've been looking at these. Corner lights inset into the ARB bull bar. Guys at the 4x shop seem to think these are reasonably decent. Expensive. ... Ok, and on to plan B. I stopped by the 4x shop today to see about a stabilizer clamp and to check out the Rigid Industries lights. Uh, no way would I put the ones above on the corners. Nothing wrong with Rigid Industries. Good lights! Holly cow, are they BRIGHT!!! Those things would guarantee a lot of pissed off drivers and serious issues with the police. These would completely blind anyone coming up on you from the corners. IMHO, they're overkill even for a corner light off road. SO, ... they had a set of these below hooked up ... A-Series LED LightsI would still want the low power ones. From six feet away, if you get hit directly in the face, they're still really bright. Given now high my bumper sits, these would be at face level, so .... I looked at the cool white; I think the natural white would be my choice. But, AFAIKT, one on each corner would be plenty sufficient. Another nice thing about these is they're surface mount. The only holes are for the wires and two bolts to attach the light. No need to cut a giant hole in the bumper for the big lights. Also, they're a LOT cheaper. About $70 a light ($126 pair on their web site) vs something like $140. Edward
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Post by jkdv8 on Jul 23, 2015 16:00:06 GMT -5
Could you use that dual input solid state. Have turn feed on one input and the manual override on the other with one covering each corner. You have prices on those. No prices on the solid state stuff. I THINK its about the same as Wolsten. Nope. Pin 87a and 87, Input A and Input B, can not be used together. You use either A or B, but not both. You use 87a or 87 depending on your application ... Input A (87a): External contact closure to +12 volts Input B (87): External contact closure to ground Wolsten Tech TDR-P works the same way. For this application you'd need to use 87a - 12V+ from the turn signals. Its not that big a deal. Couple blocking diodes wouldn't run more than a couple bucks from Mouser or Allied. I'll do up a diagram and post it up. Edward Yea ok. Must've read that wrong. Those kind of lights is what I would consider. Something small and inconspicuous while being bright enough to make a difference. I was hoping for a set of the LED strips that I could run under the wrap around bar on the grill guard but none are bright enough for illumination.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jul 24, 2015 16:29:41 GMT -5
...Yea ok. Must've read that wrong. Those kind of lights is what I would consider. Something small and inconspicuous while being bright enough to make a difference. I was hoping for a set of the LED strips that I could run under the wrap around bar on the grill guard but none are bright enough for illumination. No, I don't think so. You read exactly what I did. It says 'dual input', but according to the electronics guys you can only use one at a time. Pretty much the same with standard relays. If you look at the diagram, one input is 12+ and the other is 12- (ground). So, whatever you hooked to 87 would have to be a ground setup rather than a + feed. Possible but weird. Edward
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Post by jkdv8 on Jul 24, 2015 17:25:02 GMT -5
Ah yea ok. It does say dual input ground and 12volt.
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