31", 35" and 37" Tire Comparison Pictures
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Post by ES_97Sport on Dec 27, 2016 18:23:23 GMT -5
I picked up a 37x12.5x17" Geolandar M/T in preparation for the '99 SAS build. In two weeks we're going to run my '97 SAS'd Sport up on the rack and start taking measurements for the new build. Part of those measurements will be to mount a 37" (the planned tire size) and articulate the axles to see what kind of clearance I have and what changes will need to be made to fit the new size. I figured while I had the tire and vehicles handy I'd run the 37" up along side both my '97 LS 4WD Sports. There are always questions about tire sizes and I figured this would give a good visual. The first two images are of the 37x12.5x17 (unmounted) next to a 31x10.5x15 Yokohama Geolandar A/T+S. The vehicle is unmodified (expect for the bull bar and skids) - no suspension or body lift of any kind.   The last two images are of the same 37" tire next to a 35x12.5x17 Yokohama Geolandar M/T. The vehicle has between 25-26" inches of clearance between the bottom of the frame (center of vehicle) and the ground, and sits on Dana 44 axles with a Ford radius arm suspension - so, obviously NOT remotely stock.    Before anyone starts saving their pennies for next Christmas, 37"s will not fit on a Sport without major surgery. A large amount of suspension lift, at least 2" of body lift (if not more) and a good bit of body work. I wouldn't actually sugest doing this as I'm still pretty sure that the front drive train isn't going to hold up well to the stress of 37"s. Edward |
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Post by jkdv8 on Dec 27, 2016 23:42:15 GMT -5
 that's a whole lot of tire. What's wrong with 35's and where are you going to put the spare. That is asking an awful lot of these trucks though, with regards to the whole drivetrain.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Dec 28, 2016 22:31:38 GMT -5
that's a whole lot of tire. What's wrong with 35's and where are you going to put the spare. That is asking an awful lot of these trucks though, with regards to the whole drivetrain. The spare goes on the rear - custom rear bumper and tire carrier. The 37"s aren't going on the OEM drive train - they're going on Dynatrac Pro Rock 44s. The OEM drive train isn't strong enough unless its a mall crawler. There is no way you can 'wheel a OEM US Sport with 37"s. The deepest possible gearing is 4.90 and 1.92. Something like 5.38s or 5.60s with 3 or 4:1 would be necessary. 5.38 only gets you back to 4.63 w/35"s. Even though its only a 2" difference in diameter, that's significant. I want a 35/15 sidewall. 37/17 gives me that with more clearance. Frankly, I've also outgrown 35"s. There's stuff I want to do that requires bigger tires. The only practical way to put 37"s on a Sport from a mechanical stand point, is to drop the gearing to 5.38-5.60 and replace the t-case with either a 2-speed 4:1 or 3-speed 2.72/4/10.88. Dropping below 5.29 requires a SAS and conversion to non-Mitsu axles. The point of this thread was to give people a visual of the difference between a 'stock' size and the upper limit of sanity - 37/38"s - not to suggest it was actually practical/possible. Edward |
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Post by jkdv8 on Dec 29, 2016 15:38:56 GMT -5
Yea thats what I thought but, isn't bd running 35's and his takes up the whole back and then you'll want to add jerry cans and a jack. Thats a lot to squeeze back there. I figured you'd be doing the sas again. This one gonna be with a 3.5 and 5 speed as well. I think that's obvious. They wouldn't fit on that truck now and it's already heavily modified. Did ever occur to you that maybe the truck is holding you back and not the little bit of rubber youre missing. My point was you're getting to the point where not only is it a question of being practical but possible. You've surpassed practical a long time ago You just need to throw in the towel and purchase one of those rock crawlers that consist of 4 tires on a tube frame with a seat, steering wheel, and engine then just tow it out to Moab. I just find it amusing the lengths some people will go. These trucks are technically mall crawlers to begin with. You can polish a turd all you want but in the end it will still be a piece of ****. To each their own though. |
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Post by ES_97Sport on Dec 29, 2016 17:30:11 GMT -5
Yea thats what I thought but, isn't bd running 35's and his takes up the whole back and then you'll want to add jerry cans and a jack. Thats a lot to squeeze back there. BD's is misleading. There's room. Yes. '99 Limited 3.5. No, I'm using the '97-'98 AW3 A/T. Its not the truck. Its not 'the little bit of rubber'. Its the height. This isn't impossible, it isn't even extraordinary. When I say I log 2500-3000 miles in a week and a half to two, I'm not kidding. You should try that and see how it works for you. For someone with as little knowledge and experience as you have, you're amazingly opinionated. You don't wheel - that's blatantly obvious. You have absolutely no engineering background of any kind and you have no knowledge or experience of anything outside your immediate environment AFAICT. What you are really good at is scraping crap off the Internet that you don't have the underlying foundational knowledge to realize is BS and regurgitating it at God given fact. Oh, and you're really good at trolling. I really don't mind if people ask questions because they really don't know and want to learn, and I don't have a problem with people trying to help others and just being flat out wrong occasionally. Nobody is perfect. What I do have a problem with is that when its pointed out that you are incorrect, you refuse to accept that and promptly start arguing about something you know nothing about, as well as your propagating internet garbage as fact. Edward |
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Post by bdmontero on Dec 30, 2016 10:02:20 GMT -5
I do have room but that's not the issue I'm worried about. It's weight and whether or not it is a good idea to add that weight to the tire carrier. I'm leading toward no with the math and am more inclined to do just one with a hi lift. Sorry not trying to hijack a thread☺
Also these vehicles are just as capable if not more than jeeps, which I see exactly 2 billion people do the same exact freaking thing to them. What ticks me off is there's ZERO originality to them and they are WAY overrated. Plus there like 50,000. I like Ed's Montero's quite a bit. When I start telling people what kind of transmission and drive train it has they want one too. ☺
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Post by jkdv8 on Dec 30, 2016 15:11:20 GMT -5
For someone with as little knowledge and experience as you have, you're amazingly opinionated. You don't wheel - that's blatantly obvious. You have absolutely no engineering background of any kind and you have no knowledge or experience of anything outside your immediate environment AFAICT. What you are really good at is scraping crap off the Internet that you don't have the underlying foundational knowledge to realize is BS and regurgitating it at God given fact. Oh, and you're really good at trolling. I really don't mind if people ask questions because they really don't know and want to learn, and I don't have a problem with people trying to help others and just being flat out wrong occasionally. Nobody is perfect. What I do have a problem with is that when its pointed out that you are incorrect, you refuse to accept that and promptly start arguing about something you know nothing about, as well as your propagating internet garbage as fact. Edward Ok Ed you're the wizard. So I guess you're psychic and an expert is psychology now. Who would have guessed it.... AFAICT... That's the key phrase right there. How does one gather so much Intel through a computer screen?? Inquiring minds want to know. I mean isn't your 'engineering' background in computers and software or something along those lines. How exactly does that apply here. Just because you pick the brains of the people doing the mods to your truck doesn't make you an engineer. Just about everything you say is over exaggerated and blown out of proportion while often times you contradict yourself in the same post, most likely from typing off your "notes" that were taken from two or three different people. So what is fact to you, what you have written down in your notes or what you've read off a forum? If your notes really are the "off-road encyclopedia" maybe you should have them published. The way I see it however, is you come over to this site because people elsewhere know better so you post here for an ego boost from people that are not as knowledgeable as you in your 'field of expertise.' KIM there will always be someone smarter than you. People come here looking for the truth and answers so don't let your ego get in the way of that. I have no issues owning my wrong if it's indeed wrong. Just because someone has a different viewpoint than you or if it doesn't agree with you, or your notes, doesn't make it wrong. Ignorance is bliss though. I could post links, relevant info that is fact and you would still dismiss it because it shows that you're wrong. You seem to be confusing viewpoints and opinions from fact however. It does seem though you like calling me a troll when I bring you back into the realm of reality. Do you even know what the definition of a internet troll is? Some people can't handle the truth and that's ok.  I wheel on occasion leisurely but I'm not looking to cross the Sahara or climb Mt. Everest with it and I wouldn't take it as a personal challenge in an attempt to turn a mall crawler into a competition rock crawler even if I had more money than sense. Or better yet you're so smart why don't you build one from the ground up. You could call it the Edward and it could leap the tallest mounds, climb vertically, and run on bullshit. On a separate but relevant note I did find it ironic how you criticized the one fellow for wanting to spend his money to turn one of these into a race car, I think is how you put it. I don't recall him saying he wanted to drag race it. He's just looking for more power like everyone else. If it's ok for you to spend a ton money to turn a moderately capable suv into a slightly more moderately, capable suv why would it not be ok for him to spend a fraction of that to do what he wants. Different strokes for different folks Ed. I do have room but that's not the issue I'm worried about. It's weight and whether or not it is a good idea to add that weight to the tire carrier. I'm leading toward no with the math and am more inclined to do just one with a hi lift. Sorry not trying to hijack a thread☺ Also these vehicles are just as capable if not more than jeeps, which I see exactly 2 billion people do the same exact freaking thing to them. What ticks me off is there's ZERO originality to them and they are WAY overrated. Plus there like 50,000. I like Ed's Montero's quite a bit. When I start telling people what kind of transmission and drive train it has they want one too. ☺ I am just throwing it out there as constructive criticism. The analogy is a figure of speech, I'm not calling the trucks a pos, as I like them just as much as the next guy. Having a couple of different viewpoints however isn't a bad idea except when the fan boys take it personal which then keeps people from giving their input. It kinda defeats the purpose of the whole forum.. That's completely understandable. The reason I bought mine was the unique factor but every vehicle has its limitations. I'm more inclined to believe the reason he's stepping it up is because the jeeps are going places he can't. They all look the same because that's what it takes to make a capable off-roader. Granted you have the "mall crawlers" that just want to look cool but, that's irrelevant. It's just theirs look like jeeps and yours and eds look like montero sports. |
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Post by jondoe on Dec 30, 2016 15:40:43 GMT -5
Well, I came to see the comparison pics as I will never go taller than a 31"....
However, I am the guy that wanted suggestions on turboing my Montero. AFAICT...ESport97 normally posts helpful information and I did inquire to get a response specifically from him. I was not put off by basically being told "its a waste of time to turbo that lump"...but to each their own. I know what I expect from my truck.
Unless Im mistaken, the newest version on the Montero Sport is set to have a 2.4l Mivec Turbo diesel. Both Ford and Honda have taken to turbocharging again...it can be done.
Constructive Criticism is good....destructive criticism bad.
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Post by jkdv8 on Dec 30, 2016 15:52:01 GMT -5
Yea I'm not saying he is completely full of ****, he has his moments and is knowledgable in the off-road department. The bs usually comes out the bigger his ego gets but it's whatever.
Yes, well it starts with constructive criticism and usually ends in destructive criticism when people are told things they don't want to hear then proceed to nitpicking and throwing insults.
Not to high jack but yes they are all starting to turbocharge but from an efficiency standpoint.
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Post by bdmontero on Dec 30, 2016 16:33:06 GMT -5
I 100% disagree about the jeeps being more capable. Yes they are off road vehicles. I end up usually pulling them out too when they get in over their heads. I like mine because I can honestly say its the only one in the US. Plus the look on their faces is pretty priceless especially seeing I have IFS. Lol☺ yes people are allowed to buy jeeps. Yes they're cool. But my main point is no originality. Like zero. Buy a 95 tamarac green rodeo that's a SFA or an old ford bronco. Seems like a mall crawler starter pack to buy any jeep.
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Post by ES_97Sport on Jan 2, 2017 18:17:49 GMT -5
... I was not put off by basically being told "its a waste of time to turbo that lump"...but to each their own. I know what I expect from my truck. Unless Im mistaken, the newest version on the Montero Sport is set to have a 2.4l Mivec Turbo diesel. Both Ford and Honda have taken to turbocharging again...it can be done. Constructive Criticism is good....destructive criticism bad. Its never a 'waste of time'. If that's REALLY what you want to do, do it. I think my point was "there's a better vehicle model to do it with". But, if everyone did the same thing, we'd all be driving Jeeps. Or here in CO - Jeeps and FJs. If that's what you want to do - DO IT. Everyone on the forums will be happy to try and contribute what they can, I'm sure. More than a few guys have done Monteros. I think they're crazy, but that's besides the point. What they've done is still cool. And I'm with BD. I'm REALLY tired of the 'off the shelf' generic 'Jeep' that shows zero originality. Edward |
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that's a whole lot of tire. What's wrong with 35's and where are you going to put the spare. That is asking an awful lot of these trucks though, with regards to the whole drivetrain. 
