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Post by 99montero on May 25, 2004 13:19:12 GMT -5
hey, i have a 99 montero sport, and i just started getting into off roading, i was throwing the idea around of selling the montero and buyin a 99 cherokee, is the montero just as capable as the jeep off road, or would i be better off selling it and buying a jeep, also would 31" tires fit on my car with out a lift kit?
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Post by skidplate98 on May 25, 2004 14:44:42 GMT -5
As much as I like to go 4 wheeling with my MS and I have been plenty of places a Jeep has been. You can never beat the front Solid axle and low rang gears of a Jeep, and all the after market parts for Jeeps. In other words would I buy a MS for 4 wheeling. No Probably not. But if you have tuns of money and you can do a SAS on your MS then you can compare the MS to a Jeep. And Yes, 31" tires do fit on your MS with out a lift kit. as long as you have the 15x7 rims. Steve hey, i have a 99 montero sport, and i just started getting into off roading, i was throwing the idea around of selling the montero and buyin a 99 cherokee, is the montero just as capable as the jeep off road, or would i be better off selling it and buying a jeep, also would 31" tires fit on my car with out a lift kit? |
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Post by AirForceEagle1 on May 25, 2004 16:03:55 GMT -5
ditto. I've got parelli scorpion AT/MT special, 31x10.5R15's. They rub the front of the fender on the front only when I am fully loaded down and bouncing a little. Also, being a former solid axle freak( and I will swap back to solid in about a year), my 74 chevy 1/2ton kicked trail bigtime. Crawling, bogging or winching while driving, solid axles articulate farther, faster but are only limited by how high of springs you run. My advice, ask to "test drive" the jeep at a local spot where you can test articulation, and see how down travel is. You'll see what I am talking about...
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Post by HawkeyeSport on May 26, 2004 23:56:24 GMT -5
99 Montero,
I actually traded in my 98' Grand Cherokee for my 02' XLS. I love the jeep but also question how it will perform in the mud. Was not exactly satisfied this winter but I have the Geolanders on it.
The Grand Cherokee was killer in the mud here in Iowa. I took it through cornfields in April when the frost was coming out of the ground and it was rugged but made it. However it didn't compare to the Toyota Tacoma Pickup truck I traded off for the jeep. Seems I am going in the wrong direction, but family situation has changed also. How did your MS handle off road last week?? Loren
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Post by 99montero on May 27, 2004 11:14:35 GMT -5
it did very good off road, but one of my big complaints with it is the lack of power, i cant keep up with my friends out in the feilds, that was a big reason i was wanting to sell it.
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Post by HawkeyeSport on May 31, 2004 0:06:44 GMT -5
I won't lie to you about what I know which is just my experience, but the jeep I had was a V-8 so it had a ton of power. However, my MS with the 3.5 has a lot of pick up and doesn't lack for power. I did test drive a 3.0 before I bought mine and decided it was very underpowered.
If you do trade in your MS, look online. I bought my MS in Minnesota for 3 grand less than what DSM Mitsu wanted for lesser a vehicle. You can't buy used in Des Moines. Too many good deals if you just drive a couple hours away. Anyway my two cents. The 3.5 motor will do you fine in the MS. I just want it to sound like a V-8. Need to get a flowmaster..
Loren
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Post by mitsubishiL200 on Jun 11, 2004 23:19:57 GMT -5
I guess I'm confused---, if you are going hardcore off-roading wouldn't you prefer to have the MS with the full-frame vs the unitbody the Grand Cherokee? I know the Grand has that wonderful solid front axle, but I would would think - lack of frame= too much twist?  |
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Post by gj on Jun 12, 2004 20:54:28 GMT -5
MS 3.5 +
Better ride over rough terrain at even higher speeds than jeep.
More stock suspension travel.
Rear diff lock,,, a Huge plus
More power in the 3.5 monty
Better brakes.
Better sound system !
Attacts girl better.
Better to have sex in!
Jeep 4.0 straight six+
Way tighter turning radius,
can navigate tighter narrower trails / areas.
Less likely roll overs.
Little lower gearing.
BETTER fuel economy.
Tons more modification options.
Way easier to work on.
Cheaper to keep running.
I own both!!!!
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Post by CerOf on Jun 18, 2004 2:39:45 GMT -5
The frame twisting on the Grand Cherokee or Cherokee for that matter, isn't that big of a deal. Especially on the new WJ 1999-2004 Grand Cherokee as they beefed up the uni-frame.
The previous models when used for "HARDCORE" off-roading will eventually tear off a control arm mounting bracket. Easy enough to weld back and reinforce though.
Most people who are off-roading that hard install a long arm lift kit anyways on their Grand Cherokee or XJ.
The Grand Cherokee rules hands down over the Montero Sport in off-road situations. My Grand Cherokee is also smoother than our Montero Sport.
Granted, the Montero Sport will last longer mechanically than the Grand Cherokee, but I gotta admit, having after market support for my Grand Cherokee is SUPER nice.
The 4.0 inline 6 in a Grand Cherokee is a DOG and I equite it to the Montero Sport 3.0 engine. Keep in mind...I own both currently. Grand Cherokee WJ 4.7L HO 265hp and 340lbsft of torque and the measly MS with 3.0 engine and around what...160hp? and 190~200ftlbs of torque?
Both vehicles weigh the same...do the math. MS = dog, but just like a dog (lab) will fetch a stick out of a lake over and over, so will the MS keep running and running and running.
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Post by AirForceEagle1 on Jun 18, 2004 3:31:26 GMT -5
Okay.. the dog part is just tarded.. The metaphor has nothing to do with the performance of the MS or the cherokee... for the sake of all, be smart before you post..
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Post by cwic on Jun 18, 2004 20:05:09 GMT -5
To be honest I have heard the tearm "DOG" used to describe the performance of a car or engine many times by many diffrent people. Some dogs are lazy and lay around all day like my dog has done for most of this spring season. So it does make sence so take it easy on ur fellow board members AFE1.
Clay
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Post by AirForceEagle1 on Jun 24, 2004 9:43:03 GMT -5
NO, his very last sentence is what didn't make sense. I understood the first part of it. Why does the cherokee fetch the stick and the MS keeps running and running.. That part doesn't make sense  |
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Post by skidplate98 on Jun 24, 2004 10:48:56 GMT -5
I think I get it now. I think he means the MS will keep running a long after the Jeep will but the Jeep can do more. Just like a Lab will fetch a Stick, but some other kinds of dogs will just keep running and running and will never pick up that stick. In other words the Jeep can do more difficult trails, and the MS can't. I have to say there is only one or two things that are holding back the MS. One is the IFS. If it had a solid axle like a Jeep we would have the best of both worlds. Two a better Transfer case and more options for gearing. You just have to face it. The MS will always have a Achilles heel when it comes to the IFS. If I have the money I would do a SAS in a heart beat. Skid NO, his very last sentence is what didn't make sense. I understood the first part of it. Why does the cherokee fetch the stick and the MS keeps running and running.. That part doesn't make sense |
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Post by mywifesls on Jun 28, 2004 17:25:15 GMT -5
No doubt! The only real things keeping the MS down is the fact that it doesn't have a solid front axle, and that gearing might need to be a little more aggressive for off road situations. It will never be a "rock crawler" with the IFS, but with a little lower gearing and some more power(especially for those with the 3.0) it would make a good all-round trail rig. If you're into serious rock crawling, you can't and never will, beat a Jeep. The Jeeps short wheel base, low gearing, and after market support will see to that. More's the pity, because Jeeps are BUTT UGLY! There's something to be said for a truck with style AND performance! Maybe one day aftermarket support will take off. There are a lot of MS's out there for cheap $'s. Who knows, it could become a low-buck truck of choice for avid 4WD'ers. You never know, it could happen!!
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Post by CerOf on Jul 2, 2004 15:41:48 GMT -5
Thanks for ripping me Aeagle whatever. I own both and love both. What I was meaning was the Montero Sport will keep after it year after year after year; where as, the jeep will "give up the ghost" and die eventually. I've taken both off-road in "hard core" and "soft-core" and towed with both. The Montero Sport can't touch our Grand Cherokee. Again, keep in mind we own both. As far as wheel base goes? My Grand Cherokee's wheel base and track is basically the same +/- 1"~2" No real different there. The Montero Suffers because of IFS and no gears for the diffs and none for the transfer case. 1.7 is WEAK. The Jeep is 2.72. Either way, Mitsubishi never intended the MS to be a rock crawler but more of a cross country "out back" traveling type of vehicle, but they still should have given it a backbone in the form of a stronger geared transfer case. I just spent a week on the trail with our Grand Cherokee, and I must confess the Montero Sport would have kept up (assuming it was fully locked front and rear) but it would not have been as much fun. Elevation + near vertical climbs up ledges + 1,000lbs of gear/food/gas/water/accessories would NOT be fun. I do wish I could just throw 32" tires on our Grand Cherokee adn be done with it, but I can't...I have to lift it 4" for that. So yes, there are trade offs. Only reason why I'd get a Montero Sport again is for the reliability that every time I turn the key, I know it will start. (so far our 2002 Grand Cherokee has been the same though) So, if you want to rip on me do it constructively; otherwise, email or PM me, but grow up and keep it off the boards. |
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