sinatrav
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2001 Montero Sport 3.0 LS 4x4
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Post by sinatrav on Feb 3, 2007 4:06:29 GMT -5
I am new to this forum. I have an 01 MS adn have been looking for lockout hubs for a long time to no avail. I see in some posts that people have them but noone says where they are getting them. Would love to know where to get some.
It is a shame that this forum is not used more often. I have found great info. Just wish there was more. Have seen some good DIY how to's, as well as tips and ideas of upgrades. Thanks.
On another note, does anyone know how to jump to threads from the search function? I have found some threads but can only read certain posts. Don't know how to go to the whole threads.
Thanks,
John
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Post by dannytuned on Feb 3, 2007 10:14:01 GMT -5
superwinch p/n 400543 i ordered mine from www.summitracing.com around $85 i think. i have not installed them yet, but i have seen it posted more than once that they are the ones. to read the whole thread you have to click on the topic in the blue banner at the top of the box, took me a while to figure that out too
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Post by borec on Feb 3, 2007 23:17:13 GMT -5
Why do you need manual locking hubs? As far as I know (at least mine 01 LS) locks with the lever in the from 2h to 4h, what would be the purpose of doing that and then going out and locking it manually on the wheel? I can understand it if you do have permanent 4 wheel drive and you want to disengage it manually, but MS (at least mine) is not permanent four-wheel drive.
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sinatrav
Newbie
2001 Montero Sport 3.0 LS 4x4
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Post by sinatrav on Feb 4, 2007 0:46:34 GMT -5
Based on everything I have read, the MS does not have unlocking hubs at all. The way I understand it, the four wheel drive in engaged via the transfer case. The whole front end always turns. I do admit that most info I have found was on earlier, (97, 98), models, but I have not read that it was ever corrected on later models. I use mine for a daily driver with a daily commute to school that is 40 miles one way. I am hoping to increase the gas mileage a bit by freeing up extra power used turning the whole front end. It may not seem like much, but 2 MPG would translate into about 5 bucks per week. I am hoping to do a few things to improve gas mileage a bit. If anyone knows anything to the contrary I welcome all info.
Thanks
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Post by borec on Feb 4, 2007 11:12:18 GMT -5
Well that sounds interesting, if anybody could clear up how the 4x4 works that would be good (in respect to what is turning and what is not when in 2x4)
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Post by bahnstoermer on Feb 4, 2007 20:27:06 GMT -5
My truck is still new to me as well, but without some sort of disconnecting hubs the front axles are always turning, even in 2WD, as posted above.
Having hubs that unlock is a benefit because it saves that shaft from spinning. A little better mileage, less wear on the CV boots, etc. The CV boot thing is a concern to those owning lifted 4 Runners (my brother included!). They install them to prevent the CV boots from turning all the time while on the street and therefore they last longer.
I would venture our MS don't have any auto disconnect front hubs and that they're always engaged.
And now I'll the question I've been wanting to know, and that is if anyone with the EMU lift has had CV boot problems? I'm about to pounce on the lift kit, kind of my last question....
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Post by CerOf on Feb 5, 2007 1:10:43 GMT -5
I've had the Old Man Emu lift with the front torsion bars cranked 2" and have ZERO problems with the CV joints and boots. I have over 60,000 miles on the lift and shocks. About time to redo the shocks though.
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Post by drdude on Feb 5, 2007 18:14:36 GMT -5
From what others have said, switching to lock out hubs will have a very slight effect on gas milage. I would doubt it will make enough of a difference to pay for themselves.
I use mine as daily driver, with a similar trip distance as you have. I would say don't worry about it! Put your $$ into something that will help you off-road.
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Post by borec on Feb 5, 2007 21:11:52 GMT -5
Ok so to sum it up, it is pretty useless to get these, plus if you shift often from 2wd to 4wd, you have to go through the motions of getting out of the car and locking/unlocking the hubs, which can be a real pain if you are in muddy terrain (my father in law has a 92 full montero which came new from factory with manual locking hubs - version sold in South America, even toyota landcruisers come with manual locking hubs, there) and it was pain in the arse to get out and lock, and then get out again and unlock. So as drdude says, teh money could be spent on some other usefull stuff.
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Post by offroader on Feb 6, 2007 1:33:32 GMT -5
In addition to the reduced wear on the front drivetrain and the improved gas mileage, there's one other advantage to Manual Hubs. That's improved reliability. I have yet to hear of a set of manual hubs failing but on the other hand, auto hubs are a common failure point due to improper maintenance or "lack of" maintenance (disassembly, cleaning, and re-lubing).
The other thing with Manual hubs is they won't unlock off road until you manually unlock them. I've heard of auto hubs unlocking if you're in reverse. I'm not 100% sure why that is and perhaps others can chime in on that.
All this said, if you're an occasional off road driver doing basic trails, the auto hubs are probably good enough assuming you clean and relube them regularly. If you're a more frequent off roader doing harder core trails, I wouldn't trust the auto hubs.
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Post by borec on Feb 6, 2007 8:07:02 GMT -5
I would be interested to know the exact procedures for the maintenance of the auto hubs, anybody? Step by step with phjotos if possible.
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Post by cwic on Feb 6, 2007 9:24:25 GMT -5
and finally those who wish to get a good set of rims on their ms will have more choices as they will be able to use 2wd rims cause the hub can be removed to allow u to put the center cap from any wheel that fits the ms on. deff not useless. less wear and tear, more throttle responce, better fuel and more rim choices for $85. pretty good deal, thats why i did it.if u know ur going wheeling or there is snow on the ground u can always lock them befor u get in the truck. clay
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Post by drdude on Feb 6, 2007 11:34:43 GMT -5
Of the 12 rigs I ran with last week, I think the 2-3 Scouts are the only ones with manual hubs. And most of the group are very hard core wheelers, so I question the need.
If they are cheap and you want to do it, go for it, but I question the reliability, pooping out of lock etc.
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Post by CerOf on Feb 6, 2007 22:38:11 GMT -5
I've never heard of anyone having an auto hub fail that a manual hub wouldn't have failed in the same condition. Usually the u-joint or cv joint will fail first or a bearing or your diff itself will give up the ghost.
I've logged some pretty intense miles in the dirt and never seen one fail. Seen several people spin a drive shaft and destroy the yoke, but never the hub itself. Lots of u-joints and a few CV joints, but never the hub. (aside from one that is just plain old or abused)
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Post by offroader on Feb 6, 2007 23:06:11 GMT -5
OK, then put me down as the first person on your list w/ auto hubs that failed. It happened in at a local 4x4 park on easy trails. I know 3 other Mitsu 4x4 owners who's auto hubs failed on basic trails. I can help you start a list if you'd like. <GRIN>
Sorry for making light of your comment. My point is just becuse you've never heard of it happening, doesn't mean it doesn't.
Of course if your only doing easy trails you can just wait until they go bad then upgrade to manual hubs when they do.
On the other hand, if you're doing hard core trails most wheelers who are regulars will tell you to remove the auto's and put in manual hubs so they don't have to strap you out because you only have 2WD. ;D
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