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Post by Carsavior on Jul 4, 2004 22:07:28 GMT -5
OK- I finally got the shop I've been dreaming about, so now its time to start lining out our winter project- a twin turbo 3.0 for the MS! Here's what I catch so far: A MS and a 3000 GT are BASICALLY the same motor, with a different block casting. So I'll need to come up with a MS block- should be no prob from pic a part. Now, what will I need to complete it? Are the cranks the same, or is the 3000 forged? Will use pistons and DOHC heads from 3000, will have to manufacture a exhaust system to mount the turbos. Now the fun part- electronics. Is there a 3000 site like this where I can get some heads up on the build, maybe some wiring schematics? What computer will be best to use? What mods will the tranny require to hold up behind a twin turbo motor? (It's a 99, by the way). I got another car to drive while the install is going down, but I want to have everything built and ready to go before I start. Any ideas? Thanks- Pat ;D
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Post by Joel_CA on Jul 4, 2004 22:52:19 GMT -5
You're not the 1st and certainly not the last to have such a dream of doing a 3KGT transplant into a MOntero Sport... Good luck to you! Not sure how you'll fit all of the Turbo/exhaust plumbing down there though... A Blower would be a better fit for the Montero Sport IMHO.
Joel, CA
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Post by c2joe on Jul 7, 2004 1:14:09 GMT -5
check www.3si.orgpossibly dsmtuners.com and dsmtalk.com they have a few 3000gt guys on there.
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Post by Carsavior on Jul 8, 2004 0:04:19 GMT -5
Thanks Joe! Those look like some sites with just what I need to get started!
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Post by c2joe on Jul 8, 2004 2:17:56 GMT -5
No problem, I know a few 3si guys from the dsm club here and can get you some answers if you run into any problems.
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Post by mywifesls on Jul 8, 2004 14:22:01 GMT -5
Anythings possible. You might want to think about removing the inner fender wells, or perhaps modifing them. It's not only a question of, "does it fit?", it's a question of, "am I melting everything under the hood?"! Turbos run very hot. You have to keep everything away from them or use heat shields. And there isn't a whole lot of room in the engine bay. Not to mention the fact that you need to allow room for the intercoolers. They work best with a good supply of cooler than under hood air blowing across or through them. Remember, turbos work best when you place them as near as possible to the exhaust manifold. In the MS, there is very little room around the manifolds. But, like I said, anythings possible. Maybe mount the turbos down really low? Don't know if the front suspension and steering components will interfere, but it could be an option. Of course, routing the intake tubes then becomes a major pain in the a$$. Maybe swap the exhaust manifolds from one side of the engine to the other and bring the turbos forward along the bottom of the engine to see what kind of clearance you have there. I don't know if you could even swap the manifolds. I'm also thinking that stock MS manifolds are not up to turbo usage, so I'm guessing that you're gonna have something fabbed up? I doubt much if anything other than the engine itelf would transplant from a 3000GT to the MS, and not I'm not sure that the engine wouldn't be a little wider at the top because of the extra cams. I'll take this moment to agree with Joel though, a supercharger would be a whole lot easier to do. But don't let that discourage you if that's what you want to try and do. I would really like to see how this turns out. It would be absolutely F@#KING AWESOME to have a truck that can beat the crap out of A LOT of cars out there. Not to mention some SERIOUS power for off roading as well. What's a 3000GT twin turbo put out? 300hp+ easy! Good luck, and keep us posted!!!
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Post by Carsavior on Jul 9, 2004 0:27:25 GMT -5
Back in the dark ages I bought an 87 Buick Turbo T with the 3.8 intercooled turbo. Drove off the lot with 28 miles on the car and caught a second in front of the salesman. He just shook his head. I remember the shields on the turbo, and that it had tubular exhaust instead of cast manifolds. The real thing that scares me on this is the electronics. Will probably need to use the 3000GT ECM, or computer, or whatever its called. Got to compare some wiring schematics and see which one is the easiest to manipulate into the MS, then go with the rest of the components that match up with it. Maybe you can get some of your buds with the 3000's to post here and give up some info on the electrical end of it. Also, if the 3000 comes with a turbo and an automatic, is the INTERNALS of the tranny anything simular to a MS? Ain't seen a shift kit or reprogramming kit for a MS yet, not that they're not out there, they probably just got someone else's name on them. -Pat
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Post by mywifesls on Jul 9, 2004 11:43:45 GMT -5
I have wondered how many, if any, Chrysler "corporate" parts are in the MS. I know GM makes most of its divisions cars and trucks basically the same, but with a different appearance to suit whatever brand. Ford and Mazda also do this. Makes me wonder if the MS has Jeep or Dodge pickup parts in it. Or does Daimler-Chrysler leave them to their own resources. I know that Mitsubishi made or still makes engines that are used in Hyundais, but no clue as to if Mitsubishi uses anybody elses parts. Anyway. It really sounds like you're in for a lot of custom stuff for this swap. From what I understand, the 3000GT tranny is FWD. No way possible to use it in the MS. I'm unaware of anyboby that does any kind of performance upgrades for a Mitsubishi RWD tranny. But then again, I've never looked. You might try a search to find some Japanese, U.K. or Australlian web sites to find out if somebody has successfully modified the electronically controlled tranny in Mitsu trucks and SUVs. It's the only thing I can think of. Good luck!
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Post by sirlordoz on Jul 24, 2004 10:04:33 GMT -5
I was so right there with this idea! Im am just not good with the motor werx to pull it off! so good luck with this and i may be wright behind ya bro! got a bunch of turbo **** in the basement waiting for a use! Good luck bro! Lata
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Post by mywifesls on Aug 9, 2004 11:40:03 GMT -5
I've kinda been away for the last couple or three weeks. How goes the project? Have you done a test fit or anything yet? Just wondering.
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Post by CerOf on Oct 5, 2004 9:44:53 GMT -5
Not a single Jeep part is in the Montero Sport.
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Post by byrdman on Oct 6, 2004 21:46:11 GMT -5
I too, am having turbo delusions again, can anyone verify the following for the 6g72 engine:
{sorry this question is duped in the "boost option" thread}
8.9:1 compression for the 3.0 SOHC as in the montero 10.0:1 compression for the 3.0 DOHC as in the 3000gt 8.0:1 compression for the 3.0 DOHC as in the 3000gt vr4 turbo
B210H injector 3.0 SOHC as in the montero BDH210 injector 3.0 DOHC as in the 3000gt BDL360 injector 3.0 DOHC as in the 3000gt vr4 turbo
Info on the pph or cc flow would be awesome. I have a guess that the numerals may be cc's, but not sure. I caught a post that someone had successfull swapped the bigger injectors into a minivan (Chrysler version 6g72) also lots of talk on the fuel pressure regulator from RPW.
I bet the stock montero cam may be pretty close to the turbo as well. Seems like its begging for boost.
You know what's pathetic, is that you can check out a dozen owner's groups from Chrysler mini-vans/cars to Dodge Stealth to our beloved Montero's, and we've all got the same damn problem with thin after-market support! ...and the most ironic is that the mini-van guys drool over the thought of the montero 6g72 set up! Seems like there must be a way to get the gods of bolt-on HP interested!
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Post by mitsubishiL200 on Jan 7, 2005 0:09:29 GMT -5
Seems to me- maybe I'm just a simpleton- but wouldn't fitting a V8 and new tranny be about as easy/ costly as putting in the GT engine??
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Post by DSM on Feb 15, 2006 0:21:06 GMT -5
sorry to drudge up another old thread the injectors found in the montero and nonturbo 3kgt's are 210cc's the turbo 3kgt's have 360cc injectors turbo eclipse injectors are 450cc you can get 510cc injectors that will work from JDM galants and older evo's Or you can buy a set of injectors from www.fuelinjectorclinic.com/in any size that you want.
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Post by byrdman on Feb 15, 2006 14:02:56 GMT -5
If you have other info on how to use the bigger injectors successfully, post it!! As far as I know, nobody is running this type of mod yet.
What I found later on another site is:
Non-turbo injectors: • 210 cc/min (model number depends on the year of production and whether the engine is SOHC or DOHC. The service manuals have the details.) The 3.5L are slightly bigger, 275cc I think, so may help for some 3.0L mods. • high resistance, 12-16 ohms • voltage-controlled circuitry with long-duration driver signal • top feed fuel rail • pintle valve
Turbo injectors: • 360 cc/min (same model number for all years, BDL360) • low resistance, 2-3 ohms, with a 5.5-6.5 ohm resistor in-line with the injectors to reduce current • voltage-controlled circuitry with short-duration driver signal • top feed fuel rail • pintle valve
If installing Mitsu turbo injectors in Mitsu non-turbo engines, then a resistor must be added/included to keep from overheating/destroying the injectors. An airflow signal conditioner, such as the Apex'i S-AFC, is required to reduce the air-flow signal to compensate for the differences in drive time and injector flow rate. The ECM itself should not care about the switch.
B210H injector 3.0 SOHC as in the montero BDH210 injector 3.0 DOHC as in the 3000gt BDL360 injector 3.0 DOHC as in the 3000gt vr4 turbo
So I'm guessing that injectors with an "H" in the part number are high resistance and will work in a MS... and those with an "L" are low resistance and will not work without a resistor mod
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